Hi Darren, Agreed. That was basically my point in my prior post on comparing Pull to Duck Hunt. I don't think we should just accept a lower standard because it is quicker, easier, it was a first game, whatever. There are clear cut features that are easy enough to put in place and for reasons only known to the developers who create the audio games they aren't always followed or added.
For instance, take the analog jump system in Mysteries of the Ancients. I've gotten a number of complaints about it simply because a lot of VI gamers aren't use to timing a jump. Yet analog jumping has been in about every mainstream game i can think of from Montezuma's Revenge, to Super Mario Brothers, to Donkey Kong, to Tomb Raider. It was actually something quite simple to add, and I find it a bit surprising that I'm currently the only audio game developer using that type of jump system in my games. That's just a small example of how there is an existing standard in mainstream games that hasn't yet made it into wide use in audio games yet. Cheers! On 7/31/11, darren harris <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi tom, > > Well in the end, fact always wins over fiction. So really to be blunt again, > people need to stop burying their heads in the sand and face the music. > These simple games aren't going to cut it in the real world. They're good to > practice on I can see the logic in that in terms of how to get code working, > but equally that doesn't to my mind justify a release each time. how many > space invader clones do we have now? the only thing that hasn't really been > cloned to death is packman which is good because the job that Phil did with > packman talks is a masterpiece in it's own right. > > The facts are these: > > 1. Developers are indeed starting from scratch and learning as they go. This > I accept and openly acknowledge. I can't programme for the life of me so I'm > not going to sit here and debate how easy or difficult x game is to create. > 2. whether a person is self-taught or whether you go to school and learn, we > all have to start somewhere. Again I totally accept this. But with > experience comes improved quality of product. It's just the same as with any > business venture. The longer you are in a given business providing you > survive, the more you can refine and train yourself to do better, produce a > better product or service. So to put this into the gaming context, the more > you progress the better games you can produce and also there's plenty of > knowledge and resources here to draw upon. > > In the mainstream gaming community, too much cloning will simply bore people > and you won't have the attention you once had. Which in the long run can and > will only serve to damage you. > > If the Audyssey Magazine is constantly full of these clones and there isn't > an effective streamlining process, then it will kill the Magazine. pure and > simple. Thus why gaming Magazines have a rating system for games and not > everything gets in. > > At the end of the day, it's the people that drive the types of games that > are produced and it's the Magazines that effectively report back to the > people. So my question is, in order to support the masses, are we going to > just accept that there can be a ton of low budget games out there to play > that aren't too different from each other? or is a little time and patients > worth the increase in the quality of game? That is the trade-off isn't it. > personally I'm content to sit back and see what happens. In other words, let > the developers do what they're best at. Let the newbies learn how to develop > to a set standard thus over time the wait will be less because the more > progressing developers there are out there, the increase in titles we'll see > over time. > > If you yourself were working in the mainstream community and it was taking > as long as it's taking you now to develop your game, the simple fact is that > until your game is released, people will go and play other titles because > they are available and there. by adhering and accepting the lower quality > games we're doing ourselves much more harm than good in the long run in my > opinion. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
