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Today's Topics:
1. a bit more soul calibur info (Clement Chou)
2. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Thomas Ward)
3. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Thomas Ward)
4. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Thomas Ward)
5. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Dallas O'Brien)
6. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Dallas O'Brien)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:41:57 -0800
From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clem...@gmail.com>
To: <brandonsl...@freelists.org>, "Gamers Discussion list"
<gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] a bit more soul calibur info
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No vids this time, just some facts that some people may not have about the
gameplay system. The three biggest things to point out are probably, the
just guard, brave edge, and critical edge. Just guard is basically a perry
maneuver. When you tap the guard button and let it go, you'll have a few
frames during which if an opponent hits you with an attack, you will
automatically perry their attack and will be able to punish them while
they're recoverying. Brave edge is basically a powered up version of a
normal move. If you compare the SF games with this, the SF games have
special and ex-specials. In SC, you don't really have special moves...
instead you have a series of normal attacks that can be increased in power
and have certain properties. A critical edge is the SC equivalent to a
super move. The command for the critical edge is the same for everyone,
but unlike 2d games you can't just throw them out and hope they connect...
you have to combo into them. Because if you perform one and miss, you're
in big, big trouble. Aside from these three things, the rest of the
gameplay is more or less the same, just without the critical finisher, and
the speed is faster. Hope this little snippet was somewhat informative!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:45:20 -0500
From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
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Hi,
Well, that's where Ebay and places like that come in handy. I've seen
old Pentium 133 computers with Windows 95 on them for like $15. You
could purchase the computer or find someone on there selling Windows
95 separately on the cheep and install it in a virtual machine. That's
really the only solution for hanging on to software that is that old.
Cheers!
On 12/12/11, Michael Gauler <michael.gau...@gmx.de> wrote:
Yea...
But what do you do about the classic games?
Surely, there are still many people in the world who want to use the old
games.
But running an outdated operating system like Windows 95 or older on
modern
PCs isn't an option when the os doesn't get along with your hardware due
to
a lack of drivers...
And you might want to use a virtual machine, but then is the question
where
to get that old operating system you need legally.
Good if you still have installation media, but what if not?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:56:46 -0500
From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
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Hi Michael,
That is true. Technically the DirectX end user license forbids
installing the components separately out side of the official
Microsoft installer, and of course dx7vb.dll and dx8vb.dll do not ship
with newer DirectX runtime distributions. From a legal standpoint its
a lose-lose situation.
However, several people like Jim Kitchen, GMA, etc install those
libraries anyway, and I don't see it as a very big crime. No one has
ever been asked to remove it from their installers and Microsoft
hasn't given anyone grief over it. So while it might technically be
illegal Microsoft isn't actively hunting people down and making them
stop either.
So as an end user I wouldn't worry too much about it. As you already
know we can install the missing Visual Basic runtime libraries and
they are still compatible with Windows 7 code. This is, I think, a
testament to how backwards compatible Windows really is. If you are
worried about legal issues this is a classic case of "don't ask don't
tell."
Cheers!
On 12/12/11, Michael Gauler <michael.gau...@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I don't want to judge anyone.
But there is a difference here.
Fine if MS wants to remove VB 6 support. It is a developer's job to do
something about a programs compatibility.
But what should someone do as an end user?
It is not my fault if a program screams about missing DLLs...
OK, I can download the VB 6 runtime if I need to run a VB 6 file.
But isn't part of current DirectX end user license specifically
forbidding
you to manually install DX7VB.DLL or DX8VB.DLL into your current
operating
systems and/or their DirectX (DX 10 or DX 11)?
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:10:16 -0500
From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
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Hi Charles,
Sorry, but you are out of luck. I've seen the Windows 8 beta and the
ribbons are a standard part of the Windows 8 user interface.For
instance, if you open up Windows Explorer you are now greeted with a
nice ribbon across the top of the screen instead of the typical menu
bar. Plus all the other major free applications like Internet
Explorer, Windows Mail, Media Player, etc all use ribbons now. Its
pretty much a case of learn to roll with the change or stick with XP
until your PC dies of old age. Then, of course, sooner or later you'll
have to invest in a new PC to replace the old one and end up having to
get use to the changes anyway. I don't really see any realistic way
around it unless you decide to go Mac, Linux, or adopt some other
operating system other than Windows.
Cheers!
On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
If the ribbons are going to be removed, and if the traditional menus that
are accessible to everyone return, that feature alone might make me want
to
switch.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:20:54 +1000
From: Dallas O'Brien <dallas-obr...@bigpond.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
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haven't yet been able to test the xp mode out, even though i have pro on
my toshiba, i have yet to download the virtual machine and xp image.
they don't actually come with it, you have to download them. but yes,
the support is definatly there.
dallas
On 13/12/2011 15:35, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Dark,
Actually, this already exists. I don't know if you know this but
Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Ultimate come with a licensed
Windows XP virtual machine complete with the VB 6 runtime libraries
and the whole nine yards. Granted you have to pay extra for Windows XP
backwards compatibility, but to say Microsoft doesn't already do this
is false. Microsoft knows companies and gamers can't necessarily run
all their older software on Windows 7 Starter and Windows 7 Home so
they've included a Windows XP virtual machine into the Professional
and Ultimate versions of the opperating system. So Microsoft is aware
of the issue, and offer the very feature you mentioned below in their
pro and ultimate versions of Windows 7. Its not a compatibility pack,
but a licensed copy of Windows XP that is installed inside Windows 7
Ultimate so you get the best of both worlds on the same dvd.
This is precisely why I feel you guys are giving Microsoft a bad wrap
here. Microsoft is doing the best they can to maintain long term
backwards compatibility and the way they have done it in Windows 7 is
by using a virtual machine they created specifically for Windows XP
applications. I suppose the only reason most people are unaware of it
is that most PCs from HP, Compaq, Toshiba, Del, etc all come with
Windows 7 Home Premium, and you need Windows Ultimate to get all of
the applications and extras for Windows 7 Microsoft has to offer
including a licensed copy of XP for the Windows 7 virtual machine. I
really recommend doing a bit of research about this topic as I think
you just opened your mouth and inserted your foot on that one.
Cheers!
On 12/12/11, dark<d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Hi Alex.
But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they have any
options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for instance a
licenced microsoft virtual machine?
Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply because
vista
was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines were being
bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for what the
majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os and
they'd
lose sales.
I don't really understand this business about "technology moves move
with
it"
I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I keep it
because I like the games on it.
The fact that something is "new technology" has no real applicability to
myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't
actually
let us do the things we want.
A computer is afterall just a tool.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:23:40 +1000
From: Dallas O'Brien <dallas-obr...@bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
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bare in mind, that the developer windows 8 isn't exactly how its going
to look at final production. so they may well remove those before the
full version comes out. but never the less, they are looking in to
getting rid of it at some point. if not in 8, then the next version
perhaps
dallas
On 13/12/2011 16:10, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Charles,
Sorry, but you are out of luck. I've seen the Windows 8 beta and the
ribbons are a standard part of the Windows 8 user interface.For
instance, if you open up Windows Explorer you are now greeted with a
nice ribbon across the top of the screen instead of the typical menu
bar. Plus all the other major free applications like Internet
Explorer, Windows Mail, Media Player, etc all use ribbons now. Its
pretty much a case of learn to roll with the change or stick with XP
until your PC dies of old age. Then, of course, sooner or later you'll
have to invest in a new PC to replace the old one and end up having to
get use to the changes anyway. I don't really see any realistic way
around it unless you decide to go Mac, Linux, or adopt some other
operating system other than Windows.
Cheers!
On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard<wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
If the ribbons are going to be removed, and if the traditional menus
that
are accessible to everyone return, that feature alone might make me want
to
switch.
---
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Lord."
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