Compare your own message content to that of others, with an open mind, and
you answer is right there for you to see. You have given not one bit of
constructive criticism. Others have, and given their reasons for doing so.
You gripe, complain, curse, flame, and most of what the list guidelines
don't allow. Others have sent intelligent posts to the list. Michael has
not been targeted other than as someone who has been helped and been given
suggestions on how to improve. Keep in mind that when you point a finger at
someone, the other 3 are pointing back at you.
As far as not choosing to play the games developed by anyone other than Jim
Kitchen, that's your choice. Your reasoning, however, is not based on fact,
but on an opinion based on the fact that you don't pay attention to what has
been said. As for your gaming enjoyment, I'm sorry that your choices will
be so limited based on your wrong opinions.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Weaver" <jweaver1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Do we seriously have to have this bash michael party every few month.
This is why I don't play your games or talk much because you guys are just
looking for people to tear down. That's why I will only ever play Jim"s
games. Cause as a developer he is the nicest guy I've met. You guys need
to quit being hatefully to the people who support you. I think if
moderators were doing their jobs the topic would have done been closes and
changed.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:24 AM, "Clement Chou" <chou.clem...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with both Thomas and charles. I'm on so many lists that if I see
an email I know I won't be able to read without taking a lot of time, I
won't bother. As I said earlier, it isn't exactly the hardest thing in
the world to proofread an email as you go. This makes yourself look
better, and it takes less effort for others to understand you, which
means they'll be more likely to want to listen to what you have to say.
And to Joseph... this was never meant to insult Michael, simply our
reaction to his complaint about Mario's bad response to his continuous
emails about Silversword accessibility, which has lead to a discussion as
well as an attempt to educate some people on list who seem to have the
same problem when they post here.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I receive a few hundred Emails on most days, and there are some Emails
that, when I see that they are written by certain people, I hit the
delete key. I already know that I won't be able to understand them
because of their lack of communication skills. It's not because they
don't use English as their native language. It's because they write
horribly. I, and others, used to try to help them become more
understandable, but all they did was to get mad, and no improvements
were made. It's not because they can't, but because they! won't! They
just don't care. As a result, even if I could help them through a spot
in a game, or if I could help them with a problem with their computer,
or if I could give them tips on how to barbecue, I'll never even see
their questions, because they refuse to do even minor work on being
understood. It's their loss, not mine. Sad, but true.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward"
<thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
Hi Chris,
All good points. I'd like to add that I'm on a number of technology
lists and forums, and I largely read and respond to e-mails based on
reputation. By reputation I mean weather the person can write clearly,
if there aren't a lot of grammar and spelling errors, and weather or
not the e-mails use proper punctuation. Is that unfair?
No. Even using a screen reader like Jaws, NVDA, or Window-Eyes things
like spelling errors, grammatical errors, and lack of punctuation make
it difficult to listen to a poorly written e-mail. Lack of punctuation
means the screen reader won't pause properly between natural sentense
breaks and it makes it difficult to listen to the message. Spelling
and grammar errors will cause the screen reader to say things
incorrectly forcing me to stop the speech and review the line word by
word to get the context of the message. If I have to do that with x
number of e-mails waiting for me to read I'm just going to throw out
and skip anything that requires extra time and effort to read. So my
point here is it isn't just a case of sighted people doing this, but
there are blind people such as myself who quickly toss out anything
that isn't immediately clear from the start as well.
Cheers!
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