I suppose though that it is more elegant than a teleport. It keeps the realism of the game up, which I admire.
Just to make sure, I'll summarize the zombie issue in my own words, and you just tell me if I'm write or not: The number and type of zombies is controlled server-side. Their initial positions are also controlled by the server, but any interactions that a player has with the client-side zombie control systems may pull the zombie toward that player. The server, when it is updated, sends the other clients a command to make that zombie walk toward where it is most likely to be, given the interactions of the player or players and their clients with the swamp world server. Therefore, it is possible for a zozmbie not to have been updated on one player's client, be shot by that player and disappear on the way toward another player's client. I wonder, does the serer send the zombie the message to begin moving the zombie with the haste it should require to be at the disruptive player's location? What I mean is that suppose Bob attracted a zombie, but not in such a way that the zombie is pursuing Bob at full speed. Sue's client may be sent the information by the server that the zombie is walking at cruising speed toward Bob, who she just heard fire his weapon. But Bob might do something else to attract the zombie in the mean time, and Sue's client's zombie wouldn't get there as rapidly anyway, so what if the server told Sue's client's zombie to walk fast enough that it will be present at the location it should be at in time to reach the next server update, rather like sending the zombies on scavenger hunts. Go here at reasonable speed, then we'll tell you what to do next. It does reduce the shamble a little, but it ups the chance of having everyones' zombies at coinciding locations. I know that last bit was confusing. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 7/14/12, Jeremy Kaldobsky <jer...@kaldobsky.com> wrote: > Well that's very interesting about the loot. This is actually the first > confirmed case where loot isn't in the correct spot between clients. > > When one loot was picked up, the other vanished because they were still the > same piece of loot. In that same way, killing a zombie would still cause it > to die on the other clients regardless of them being in a slightly different > location. If a team mate begins being killed by a zombie you can't see, his > version of the zombie got to him but yours might still be walking into the > room. If you shoot the zombie it will still save his life even though you > shot at something which didn't seem to be attacking him. > > > > --- On Sat, 7/14/12, Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: Map Conflicts >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >> Date: Saturday, July 14, 2012, 2:39 PM >> In fact, I've encountered that loot >> bug in an open space, standing >> right next to it, and having my friend run all around me >> trying to get >> it, in that same open space, so I wonder if there's >> sufficient parity >> between the server and the client. >> >> And I understand how a zombie might end up in two places at >> once, >> especially on a smaller map, and especially if someone >> starts shooting >> off an assault rifle all of a sudden. >> >> If the zombie does, in fact, go to two different players, >> what happens >> if both players make a kill shot on the same zombie? Do they >> both get >> the kill? >> >> And, as for the positioning bug, the experience I had was >> with the >> people using the same internet as me, and then the loot >> being in >> different places. One interesting experience I had that was >> somewhat >> different but relatively similar was going on a mission and >> the crate >> showing up in two spots but disappearing from one when the >> other was >> picked up. The two spots were in the first warehouse map, >> one on the >> second floor, the other in the crates on the main floor not >> far from >> that position. Anyway, I'm not spazzing about it or trying >> to stress >> you out. I'm largely just curious and i figured I might have >> a clue to >> why and how this happens. >> >> Signed: >> Dakotah Rickard >> >> On 7/14/12, Jeremy Kaldobsky <jer...@kaldobsky.com> >> wrote: >> > Loot placement should always match up. I've had >> past reports of loot not >> > showing up for people but so far it has always been a >> case of something >> > blocking the sound for one of the players while the >> other player had a >> > direct line of sight to it. >> > >> > Zombies get a bit fuzzy since they are controlled a >> little by the server and >> > also a little by the client. Especially with >> players all around the globe, >> > several seconds can pass between the server sending >> instructions to a zombie >> > and that zombie getting the next update. Many >> influences can affect where >> > the zombie wants to run, and I wanted to avoid having >> the game magically >> > teleport them around to fix any inconsistencies like >> how some other games >> > handle it. If a zombie is supposed to be a few >> tiles to the left, instead >> > of jumping there instantly it is simply told to walk >> there. Over time and >> > with several clients each affecting the zombie AI in >> their own way, it is >> > possible for zombies to get pulled in different >> directions and be in >> > different locations to the various clients. >> > >> > If you need more info I can go in to a bit more >> detail. >> > >> > --- On Sat, 7/14/12, Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Dakotah Rickard <dakotah.rick...@gmail.com> >> >> Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp: Map Conflicts >> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >> >> Date: Saturday, July 14, 2012, 2:23 PM >> >> Hello Jeremy and all. >> >> >> >> I'm writing this as a note and inquiry. I would be >> >> interested in >> >> understanding how the client and server communicate >> as >> >> relates to the >> >> map and zombie placement on maps. >> >> >> >> I ask this because I have observed several cases in >> which I >> >> will be >> >> sitting next to someone, both of us playing Swamp, >> and one >> >> of us >> >> doesn't see zombie or loot on the map that the >> other sees. >> >> Sometimes >> >> I've actually seen it that three people have >> different stuff >> >> on the >> >> map. >> >> >> >> That confuses me, because I thought the map was >> server >> >> controlled. Is >> >> that not the case? If it isn't, can you explain >> why? 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