Tom,
So can you provide a sample weighted formula out there for some specific
circumstance that includes the regulated emissions of SOx,Nox,CO, CO2
and PMx.x, mercury. I've not seen one in all the EPA stuff I've read.
Local public action is putting a stop to everything from windmills to
tire burning at cement plants. These complex analysis are being
successfully challenged, and often never get to court because of
weighted public relations or political calculations.
Alex
On 2/20/2011 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Alex,
In any complex analysis there needs to be a weighing factor assigned to
each variable and then evaluated with this weight. Of course, any
objection can be raised, but how valid is it? There are lots of folks in
this world who have no real contribution to society and simply object to
someone else doing something. They can't stand to see it. A lot of
public hearings are witch hunts with someone in charge who knows the
difference.
Dust, road access, truck traffic, site particulate generation are all
factors which are considered in at least an air permit for a facility.
All of this is usually contemplated in the air emission permitting
process and there is no magic in it, just complex rules which are
created to define what the limits to a project are. The method of
creating these rules and their completeness cannot be set aside by a
group which thinks it has a better way. This actually is a pre-emption
of federal regulations set forth for environmental standards and is
inherently stupid and probably unconstitutional. An agency which sets up
it's own environmental regulations without due process of setting
standards, having hearings, etc. is not allowed under most State laws
and certainly Federal. A competent court would have no trouble setting
their actions aside.
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
President
Thermogenics Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex English <[email protected]>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Feb 20, 2011 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Emissions fines
Tom,
I spent some time with the Thurston County Moratorium link. I waded
through the presentations then turned of the tv sound on Hockey Fight
in Canada and listened to the audio from the very civil public hearings
on the moratorium. There was a comment that the ratio of those
for-and-against the moratorium on "biomass" was about 70-1. That sound
about right. Non loggers and farmers to loggers and farmers. Can't do
math to those who can. Uninformed to informed.
How unfair, simplistic and cynical of me. I love trees and clean low
CO2 air too.
Perhaps they know at a deeper level that as a fossil/nuke society we are
sinners and bioenergy talk is just a weak kneed genuflect towards the
cross of sustainability and then back to work. We are going to heat our
bricks and mortar,( or plastic tunnels :) one way or another, no
sweaters required.
To be fairer, many just thought the issue was complex and needed the
extra time for more analysis. They quoted the Mass study on the biomass
CO2 pulse, the lower efficiencies of electrical power generation from
biomass, the concerns about PM 2.5, problems with dust at McNeil in
Vermont, diesel truck emissions, and on. There are thoughtful responses
to all points but inevitably they entail a cost/benefit analysis that
provides fuel to both sides of the debate.
Can we successfully weigh distant benefits with local costs? Is there
any real way to weigh the raising one pollutant level against the
lowering of another?
It isn't getting any easier is it?
Alex
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On 2/19/2011 12:48 PM, Tom Miles wrote:
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