Alex,
this is not a complex issue at all, the majority that reside in the greater
Olympia area are so tree hugging, liberal it is not suprising at all that
the memorandum is the outcome. I too wadded through a bunch of the info as
this hits somewhat close to home for me living in Washington. Tom hit the
nail on the head
"There are
lots of folks in this world who have no real contribution to society and
simply object to someone else doing something. They can't stand to see
it."
these people think eggs are made at albertsons and refuse to acnowledge the
oil used in production, toilet paper is made form recycled material not
trees, power to heat and light their homes comes from the switch on the wall
not the coal fired power plant just 30 miles south.
there is a whole pile of hipocritical, ignorant self acclaimed do-gooders in
Olympia, these type of people are spread throught the world, what's alarming
about the Olympia area is the concentration.
these people are against everything well,,, except driving an suv to
albertsons to buy a dozen eggs for a nice sunday breakfast to be enjoyed in
the leisure of their electricaly lit 72 degree home on this brisk morning.
these people just don't recognize you've got to pay to play concept.
I don't want to destroy our planet, or our collective health, but do
understand there is no easy out here, and that we as people need to make the
better decicions instead of the poorer decisions. this is why we have
regulatory agencys, and it seems to me that if a concept or plan can run
within allowable regulation that it should be allowed. If these people in
Olympia want to really do good they should focus their attention with the
reulatory agencys to do what they were deisgned to do, keep us as healthy
and whole as possible.
To spearhead projects that would comply with standing regulations and put a
moratorium in place seems like an ignorant, stiffeling, hipocrtiical, .....
and sadly tyipical thing for Olympians to do.
You would have to meet a few to fully understand, their condition is
special. My only prayer is that the condition is not contagious, but
terminal.
Luke Gardner
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Complex issue analysis
Dear Alex,
In any complex analysis there needs to be a weighing factor assigned
to each variable and then evaluated with this weight. Of course, any
objection can be raised, but how valid is it? There are lots of folks in
this world who have no real contribution to society and simply object to
someone else doing something. They can't stand to see it. A lot of public
hearings are witch hunts with someone in charge who knows the difference.
Dust, road access, truck traffic, site particulate generation are all
factors which are considered in at least an air permit for a facility. All
of this is usually contemplated in the air emission permitting process and
there is no magic in it, just complex rules which are created to define
what the limits to a project are. The method of creating these rules and
their completeness cannot be set aside by a group which thinks it has a
better way. This actually is a pre-emption of federal regulations set
forth for environmental standards and is inherently stupid and probably
unconstitutional. An agency which sets up it's own environmental
regulations without due process of setting standards, having hearings,
etc. is not allowed under most State laws and certainly Federal. A
competent court would have no trouble setting their actions aside.
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
President
Thermogenics Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex English <[email protected]>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Feb 20, 2011 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Emissions fines
Tom,
I spent some time with the Thurston County Moratorium link. I waded
through the presentations then turned of the tv sound on Hockey Fight
in Canada and listened to the audio from the very civil public hearings
on the moratorium. There was a comment that the ratio of those
for-and-against the moratorium on "biomass" was about 70-1. That sound
about right. Non loggers and farmers to loggers and farmers. Can't do
math to those who can. Uninformed to informed.
How unfair, simplistic and cynical of me. I love trees and clean low
CO2 air too.
Perhaps they know at a deeper level that as a fossil/nuke society we are
sinners and bioenergy talk is just a weak kneed genuflect towards the
cross of sustainability and then back to work. We are going to heat our
bricks and mortar,( or plastic tunnels :) one way or another, no
sweaters required.
To be fairer, many just thought the issue was complex and needed the
extra time for more analysis. They quoted the Mass study on the biomass
CO2 pulse, the lower efficiencies of electrical power generation from
biomass, the concerns about PM 2.5, problems with dust at McNeil in
Vermont, diesel truck emissions, and on. There are thoughtful responses
to all points but inevitably they entail a cost/benefit analysis that
provides fuel to both sides of the debate.
Can we successfully weigh distant benefits with local costs? Is there
any real way to weigh the raising one pollutant level against the
lowering of another?
It isn't getting any easier is it?
Alex
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On 2/19/2011 12:48 PM, Tom Miles wrote:
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