Dear GF
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GF 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] reducing temp. of gasification


  Jai.
  One system worth developing would be to conduct the (gaseous products) of 
pyrolysis, "burning without oxygen" passing this "smoke " through a high 
temperature reactor such as a red hot "heat exchanger" heated by the exhaust 
manifold of a fully loaded internal combustion engine,then subjecting this 
heated stream of tar bearing smoke through a high frequency electro magnetic 
field. thus forming an ionized plasma with the use of domestic micro wave 
magnetron/s

  # I think I was right after all. "The best way to cure a problem is to avoid 
it in the first place." :-)

  Best wishes,

  Kevin

  The posibility of  water shift reaction for enriching the gas with hydrogen 
in this area is high, also any condensate would resemble ethanol rather than 
tar. The micro wave enclosure must be made with refractory and screen with 
metal ,the gas  inlet and outlet screened with the same material as used in the 
door of the microwave oven.
  Because there is such  enormous waste heat available from an ICE. the pre 
heating of distilled water into super heated steam is easily obtained, which 
will cancel endothermic reactions of water shift when added to your gas stream. 

  GF

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kevin <[email protected]>
  To: jai balwanshi <[email protected]>; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and 
gasification <[email protected]>
  Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:25 am
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] reducing temp. of gasification


  Dear Jai
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: jai balwanshi 
    To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification 
    Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:05 AM
    Subject: Re: [Gasification] reducing temp. of gasification


    we have many method to reduce tar but i want which is most simplest.
    # Your very simple, but very important question was: "What is the simplest 
way to reduce tar?" I feel that the short answer is "Burn it." 

    # Support for this simplistic answer is based on the fact most gasifiers 
producing low tar woodgas seem to operate with a high reaction zone 
temperature. The trick is to burn the tars evolved by pyrolysis, while burning 
the least amount of char. This is accomplished in the Imbert Style of gasifier 
by optimal placement and sizing of the air jets in relation to the hearth size 
and location for the particular kind of fuel employed..

    # It would be very helpful to the List if you would be kind enough to 
outline some of the many methods you have to reduce tars.

    # Thanks!

    Kevin



    Jai Balwanshi
    Assistant Professor
    Mechanical Engineering Department
    VITS - Indore
    Contact No. 9713281992


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      From: Pete & Sheri <[email protected]>
      To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' 
<[email protected]>
      Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 8:39 AM
      Subject: Re: [Gasification] reducing temp. of gasification

      Hello, Greg.
        I know that the correct solution to tar is to keep the reactor temp up,
      but, just in case,
      how do YOU test for tar? 

      Pete Stanaitis
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      -----Original Message-----
      From: [email protected]
      [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg
      Manning
      Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:13 PM
      To: jai balwanshi; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
      Subject: Re: [Gasification] reducing temp. of gasification

      Greetings, Jai, and list members.

      Reducing tars in gas output, is really quite simple, design a gasifier
      that works correctly for the desired feedstock is the main method,
      however, you can also design a poorly built gasifier, and use many
      cleaning filters after the gasifier, in the gas output pipes.

      But really, one must understand what "tars" are, and at what internal
      temperature the gasifier runs at, once this is known, then the design
      can be re-designed to achive the correct temperature to reduce the
      tars BEFORE they enter the gas output area.

      In other words, generally 2 or more gasifiers must be built (or the
      original one modified) to the point of acceptable level of tars within
      the gas output.

      Greg Manning
      Canadian Gasifier Ltd.





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