Dear Art, I am not a chemist but I feel that we can also separate the hydrogen from water gas. India is the world's third largest producer of chemical fertilizers and I am quite sure that the Indian fertilizer producers also use natural gas as their source of hydrogen. India generates annually about 800 million tonnes of agricultural waste, which can serve as the source to produce charcoal. This charcoal would have the same amount of energy as all the petroleum that we import. We have developed charring kilns for charring light biomass into a powdery charcoal. currently we briquette it and use it as domestic fuel. We have also made water gas from our char and demonstrated its use as fuel. Yours A.D.Karve
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Greg Manning <[email protected]> wrote: > Art > > Thank you for the explanation, > > I knew they used natural gas, but had no idea of the process. > > Greg Manning > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Art Krenzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dr. Karve, >> >> The Haber Bosch Process is used to convert hydrogen from natural gas and >> nitrogen from air into ammonia. Yes, it is an energy intensive process. >> >> See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process >> >> This conversion is typically conducted at 15-25 MPa (2,200-3,600 psi) or >> 150-250 bar and between 300-550 °C (572-1,022 °F), as the gases are passed >> over four beds of catalyst, with cooling between each pass so as to maintain >> a reasonable equilibrium constant. On each pass only about 15% conversion >> occurs, but any unreacted gases are recycled, and eventually an overall >> conversion of 97% is achieved.[1] >> >> Art Krenzel >> >> >> >> >> > Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:29:51 +0530 >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected]; >> > [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Tennessee company - pyrolysis biochar + >> > hydrogen ($1.75 per gallon diesel-equivalent?) >> >> > >> > Dear Greg, >> > the major component of natural gas is methane. How does the fertilizer >> > industry separate out hydrogen from methane? The process must be >> > consuming a lot of energy. >> > Yours >> > A.D.Karve >> > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Dear List, >> > > Already in the first decade of the last century, Haber in Germany >> > > developed a process for making ammonia by combining nitrogen in the >> > > air with hydrogen. I was told that this process is used even today by >> > > fertilizer manufacturers. Where does the fertilizer industry get its >> > > hydrogen from? >> > > Yours >> > > A.D.Karve >> > > >> > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, John Bonitz [email protected] >> > > [biochar-policy] <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Return of the Pyromaniax: Proton Power and its hydrous pyrolysis >> > >> process for >> > >> super low-cost hydrogen, by Jim Lane, May 8, 2014 >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2014/05/08/return-of-the-pyromaniax-proton-power-and-its-hydrous-pyrolysis-process-for-super-low-cost-hydrogen/ >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> John Bonitz >> > >> Pittsboro, NC >> > >> >> > >> 919-360-2492 | LinkedIn >> > >> >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Gasification mailing list >> > >> >> > >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> >> > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> > >> >> > >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >> > >> >> > >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> > >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > *** >> > > Dr. A.D. 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