I think Bianchi said a few months ago that there’s no way the Gators made a huge mistake with Muschamp. A few years ago the SEC was all about defense, and WM went real conservative on offense because of that. Then suddenly with the great QBs in the SEC in the last two years, offenses took off and we were stuck with Weis and Brent Pease. And then we had all the injuries last year. Don’t forget how many people last year said if Driskel gets hurt, goodbye Gators.
Like Steve said, the pecking order in the SEC never remains constant. No team in this conference can win big every year. Every team had a losing season more recently than we did last year. I think the carousel of assistant coaches has been a HUGE problem for the Gators in recent years. Isn’t it true that Andre Debose has had *six* different OCs in his six years? And probably nearly as many DCs. I don’t know the answer to that, but somehow we need to get lucky or good with some assistant coach stability. Dan Mullen, Charlie Strong, Dan Quinn. Came and went. One reason FSU had such great defenses year after year in the Bowden days was because that old guy who spit all the time was there as DC for like 25 years. It’s not just the head coach, y’all, it’s the assistants too. It’s college football. It gets weird sometimes. USC, Va Tech, SoCar. Look at them. You have great games and stinkers. Every game is its own game. We’ll probably lose Saturday, but it’s football season! It’s not July anymore. YAY!! Go Coach Dawg. Go Gators. Let’s try to enjoy it and be positive. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Alonso Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:03 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] The direction of Gator Football What was so frustrating for me in the Zook years was that the talent was very much there, but the playcalling was outstandingly bone-headed. Zook never really had control of the players, thus all the off-field foolishness that went with that era. I never had any faith in Z even if I was impressed with his ability to recruit. With Muschamp, he made some bad choices for OC and also prevented those offenses from being anything more than dreadfully conservative to the point of being dysfunctional. However, I still think, like Steve, that there is a great coach there who has finally seen the light. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong, but I at least like what Roper is trying to do (the plays are there, even if they're not always executed by the players) and WM has certainly been proven on the defensive side, so I believe that side will also only get better as the season progresses. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Ed Williamson <bucksho...@hotmail.com> wrote: Steve, Th anks for this well written and reasonable post. I do agree with it. Because of the dumpster fire Meyer left us and the incredible run of injuries last year, (and losing 5 of 11 starters from last years defense to the NFL), we do need to be more realistic and patient for this team to gain experience and toughness. Go Gators!!!! Ed On 9/16/2014 10:51 AM, 'Steve McKibben' via GatorTalk wrote: Champ's first season was pretty much what I expected given the dumpster fire Meyer left him with, in terms of talent, team chemistry, and some heavy entitlement issues from some of the players. The 11-2 season that followed seemed to take everyone by surprise as it was "ahead of schedule" but among those wins there were a number of games that were much closer than most of us would have expected or liked. Suffocating defense but an often dysfunctional offense. Last year the roof caved in. Losses to the NFL were compounded by an astounding run of bad luck injury wise. We were on the brink. Fast forward to today. We're 2-0, but not a happy 2-0. One game canceled (can this program catch a freaking break?), a blowout win against a cupcake (which by the way, we seem to have taken for granted very quickly after not seeing that for several years), and a 3 OT squeaker against lowly Kentucky. This guy has to go, right? Not so fast... Why does his "leash" extend beyond the next two games in my book?; To my untrained eye, the "thug factor" appears to be on the wane, and I believe the GPD/UPD arrest blotter bears that out. The SEC pecking order never remains constant. It was incredulous to lose to Vandy last year, but they went to bowl games three years in a row, so the mighty Gators weren't the only team that they beat that they didn't compete against historically. Maybe it's Kentucky's turn to step up. By all accounts Stoops has recruited better there than they have seen in a while. Some of the passes completed against our secondary looked impossible to defend. Maybe they aren't so bad that beating them in a close contest is all that bad. We will see. For a team coming off of a 4-8 season, and that has looked like crap on offense since Tebow moved on (and really even most of his senior year after the concussion), we have a lot of very highly rated recruits interested in us. The only reason more of them haven't committed already is that they hear that Champ is a goner, and they (understandably) want to see this offensive improvement first hand before they are "all in". Hey Jerry - even if we only beat Vandy and EKU we will be 4-7 and that's better than 4-8, right? ;) I don't see any invincible teams this year, and even the top tier SEC east teams have shown they have some weaknesses. To me, how we play, even if we lose the next two is more important than if we win. Saying that, unless we are decimated by injuries in the Bama game I think we beat the Vawls handily. I may be proven wrong, but I think Champ will be an outstanding coach. He is in a battle against time due to his learning curve, as well as some unfortunate luck, to be that coach at UF. On a side note - I'm glad to see that, so far at least, the polarization and ugliness that we had on GatorTalk during the Zook years hasn't resurfaced. Maybe we've all grown up a bit, or maybe we ran all of the passionate posters off! ;) Steve McKibben _____ I did not propose anything. Muschamp has been here four years and we are struggling against Kentucky? I know it is early. However, if we played like we did Saturday, we might end up with a worse record than last year. Vandy and Eastern Kentucky are our only probable wins. We might squeak by Tennessee as well. I have watched at least a half from the rest of the teams this year except of F$U. All of them appear to be much better than we are. The truth be known, I am more worried about our program than I have been ever before. Jerry From: Oliver Barry <oli...@bobparks.com> Reply-To: GatorTalk <Gatortalk@googlegroups.com> Date: Monday, September 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM To: GatorTalk <Gatortalk@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] The direction of Gator Football We play one SEC game and you’re proposing this? That doesn’t even make sense. Even Zook got the Mississippi State game. Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI Bob Parks Realty, LLC Real Estate Broker 145 Maple Row Blvd Hendersonville TN 37075 Phone: 615-826-4040 Mobile: 615-972-4239 bar...@realtracs.com From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] The direction of Gator Football Possibly, Doc. But not during a week we are leading the SEC East. A. Leon Polhill, Gator _____ From: Jerry D. Belloit <bell...@clarion.edu>; To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com <gatortalk@googlegroups.com>; Subject: [gatortalk] The direction of Gator Football Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 11:01:22 PM After watching the game last night, I was reminded of last season and of Dark days of Gator football dating back to those days that Vince Dooley had our number. I had thought that I was forever finished with the old, ³Wait until next year.² I had some reasonable hopes for this year. Last night, the only team in the SEC we could have beaten would be Vandy. I thought our defense would be much better. (Did our linebackers play?) I knew that our offense would be a work in progress but I was blind-sided by our defensive problems. I was counting on our defense to keep up in the game until our new offense began to gel. After last night, that would appear to be a pipe dream. Two years ago, I expected Coach Muschamp to be an upper level coach. After four years, I am afraid that he may be another Ron Zook. We seem to be a long way from competing with South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, Texas A7M, LSU, and Alabama. Is it time for a new coach? 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