* The Maptiler Project Overview [2] will be updated to explain that
MapTiler was Open Source, but future developments were
proprietary. The
Overview will reference the last Open Source version of software
available.
* The Maptiler Quickstart will be removed from docs, (but still
available in subversion)
* The maptiler installer will be disabled so MapTiler will not be
distributed on OSGeo-Live.
If anyone has objections or comments, please raise them within 48
hours
(15 Feb 2015) such that we can address them before our release.
Most (not all) of the history on this conversation has been copied
below.
[1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html
[2] http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/maptiler_overview.html
On 13/02/2015 4:29 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
Hi all,
I definitely agree here with Howard.
Since Maptiler has been included in OSGeoLive for 5 years now, and
Petr
has agreed to follow the OSGeoLive license for his contribution,
there
has to be some kind of lineage about this project online. It cannot
just disappear. People would think that OSGeo endorced non-free
software in the past, which is not acceptable in my opinion.
We need an "official" public repository including the last version of
the open source code to link to. We should then link to that in our
documents (even if the project is removed). Cameron has already moved
the documents in the "retired" area.
I agree that the Maptiler name has to be removed from OSGeoLive in
future versions. But, the request for removal came much after our
official 8.5 code freeze, so I am against removing stuff from 8.5
especially 10 days before release.
I propose we keep the installer for 8.5 (unless Petr provides a
new deb
version with a new name).
I also propose to remove the Maptiler documents completely for this
release.
Then, as Johan suggested we can fork Maptiler as Icetiler for the
next
OSGeoLive 9.0 release and restore the docs.
Best,
Angelos
PS. I also want to thank Petr for his work on Maptiler, it is much
appreciated.
On 02/09/2015 11:46 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
Hi all,
First of all I would like to thank Petr for his work on Maptiler. He
has actually spent a lot of unpaid time to develop a tool which is
useful for many users.
Earning a living from open-source is hard - as most people who have
tried will be able to tell you.
Second I would like to point out that a project that has many users
and little contributors is not necessarily unsuccessful. If your tool
is working well, it may not scratch a developers itch[1].
Anyway, it seems that by retiring from OsGeo live you did hit many
developers itch, so it seems this may actually be a rebirth of the
project.
I think that the request of Petr is fair: the code remains free
(which
it should, because there can be many derived works), but he just
requests not to use the name and logo. This leaves room for other
developers to jump in and create a new version. Yesterday on IRC, I
proposed the name "IceTiler" as an alternative, based on the
rebranding done by debian for many mozilla projects [2]. Other
suggestions are welcome :-)
Taking all into account I'm +1 on removing this project from OsGeo
live in the current form, but I think we could have "IceTiler" in a
next release if there is sufficient interest.
Kind Regards,
Johan
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar
[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_t
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On 9/02/2015 12:09 pm, Jody Garnett wrote:
Trademarks is one of those issues we tend to handle off-list with
mentor
and project leadership (and/or the board if required).
In this case the author and trademark owner in one in the same
(and has
a fairly clear request).
My limited understanding is the board will need to care about
trademarks
in source code that has been contributed to OSGe (which is not a
requirement of participation). I expect they will only need to
care in
the US (since that is where the organization is based) but that is up
to legal council, IANAL etc...
It is relatively common for open source projects to be renamed due
to TM
conflict. This is a service a software foundation can provide, apache
has strict management of trademarks, eclipse does a trademark check
prior to accepting a project into incubation etc... But it is not
clear
cut - Debian for example refuses to include firefox as that name is
trademarked (and not "free" and reusable ),
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On 7 February 2015 at 17:03, Even Rouault
<even.roua...@spatialys.com>
wrote:
Hi,
(adding incubator@ as it is both of interest I think for
OSGeo-Live &
incubator)
I will not argue about this particular case, but this does raise an
interesting question about how we should handle trademark issues
(perhaps this
has been discussed in the past, so sorry if I come after the battle)
The OSGeo incubation application questionnaire
http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html mentions:
"Is the code free of patents, trademarks, and do you control the
copyright? "
It does not address clearly the issue of trademark of the *name
of the
project* (it mentions just the *code*).
I'm not sure if there should be a policy regarding ownership of the
trademark
of the name of a project, but at least it could be asked if
there's a
trademark on the name, and who owns it (and in which
countries...) ? As
the
below example shows, this can have impact on the future of the
project.
But
this is likely complex.
- What if someone from a random country comes and says "eh this
project
conflicts with my trademark in Foobarland" ? Which countries should
OSGeo care
about ? Or perhaps this is too complex and the only real answer to
those questions is when you are assigned to a court ;-)
- And even if the trademark is owned by someone/an entity which is
strongly
related to the project, things can evolve over time. So shouldn't
the
trademark be transfered to OSGeo control to guarantee fairness of
use ?
But
that would mean that OSGeo would have to pay the costs of
registration.
For the record, I did the exercice of quick searching which OSGeo
projects are
trademarked in France ( http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ ) and it
*seems*
(only a
search by a specialist in I.P would confirm it) that only QGIS and
GeoMajas are
(and both have E.U. wide validity). (There are unrelated matches for
Geotools,
Marble and OSSIM). OSGeo itself isn't trademarked. And apparently
MapTiler neither.
In the incubating projects, gvSIG is trademarked (E.U wide).
Unrelated
matches
for "the zoo project" and OTB. Rasdaman is registered in Germany.
Even
Hi everybody,
Let me clarify the situation:
- The original MapTiler (python + wxWidgets) is discontinued and
unfortunately it failed as an open-source project in my eyes. The
software
attracted quite a lot of end users, but no 3rd party developers.
There
was
not a single commit from any third-party ever to the MapTiler
project
code
itself, probably because the graphical utility was used mostly by
non-programmers. The otherwise great project stalled for some
time. I
have
not seen how to move it forward without any financial support,
while
not being a student anymore - and it made me really sad.
- Since 2011, I work with my team on a completely new
implementation
of an
efficient tiling utility, the new MapTiler usable both from the
command-line as well as from the graphical user interface,
written in
C++
and QT. It is significantly faster, merges multiple files in
different
srs,
handles correctly dateline crossing and world maps, tiles in
non-mercator
grids, it directly produces small and optimized jpg and pngs, it is
compatible with OGC WMTS, contains uploader to Amazon S3 and Google
Cloud
Storage, supports different layers on different zoom levels (see
http://goo.gl/TCrGtQ and other tutorials), and it comes with many
other new
features, with installers, regular updates, support and
maintenance.
It runs on Win/Lin/Mac - see http://www.maptiler.com/ for more
information. With my colleagues we are trying to do our job as good
as we can. It is a complete rewrite of the original utility, fixing
design flaws and
implementation issues of both GDAL2Tiles and original MapTiler.
To be
able
to support the utility and to work on new features we ask for a
license fee.
- There was no financial support from Google Summer of Code nor
from
OSGeo
on the original MapTiler.
- Both my Google SoC in 2007 and 2008 were on the GDAL2TIles
command-line
utility, lead by Howard.
My original GDAL2Tiles from 2007 is available at
http://www.klokan.cz/projects/gdal2tiles/ and the version from
2008 is
distributed together with GDAL library, with patches and some
fixes,
mostly
from Evan.
As Even pointed out - I started to work on the MapTiler during
August
2008,
after the second SoC. BRGM mentioned in the code of GDAL2Tiles.py
supported
improvements of GDAL2Tiles, not MapTiler project.
- As the sole author of MapTiler and the owner of the MapTiler
trademark I
would like to request complete removal of the MapTiler from the
OSGeo
LiveDVD. I have prepared the existing .deb package as well as
supplied
the
quickstart and installation scripts to the svn about 5 years back.
- If anybody is interested to revive my original open-source
project
published under an open-source license, he is welcomed to do that -
under
the conditions of the original license, while preserving the
original
copyright notice, and under the condition his fork of the
project is
not anymore called MapTiler and does not use original graphical
elements and desktop icon of the original application.
- The existence of the two projects of the same name is
confusing the
people and I want to avoid it. I hope you respect my decision.
The old
MapTiler is dead, long live the MapTiler! ;-)
- I continue to work on several other open-source projects and
with my
team
I keep developing, contributing and improving on OL3Cesium,
OpenLayers
V3,
WebGL Earth, EPSG.io, IIPImage, GDAL and other projects. See our
github and
blog for details: http://www.klokantech.com/.
Open-source is indeed very powerful and viable on components and I
can't imagine to live without it. Still, there are situations,
where
it is simply
not applicable.
I am proud to be part of OSGeo and I am keen to continue to
contribute
to
the community in future. I admire and honor people like Frank or
Evan
and
others. You have my true respect for what you do and what you have
achieved!
Best regards,
Petr Pridal, Ph.D.
Klokan Technologies GmbH
P.S.
If anybody is interested in even more background of the
evolution of
MapTiler you can read:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/maptiler/r9Xa8S_S4Z8/7pJoqKR1MM0J
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shor...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've had a request from the MapTiler project to have it removed
from
OSGeo-Live.
I've raised a ticket:
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1467
I'll look after updating the docs.
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