Brian E Carpenter wrote:
If it's FCFS, it would be a violation of RFC 2234 to insist
on a normative reference, I think.
Sounds like Informative is the way to go here.

   Brian

Mark Townsley wrote:
Peter Arberg wrote:

Hi,

thanks Eric for the review and the good change suggestions.

I have updated the document with all your suggestions, and attached
it for reference.

With regards to the informative references, Mark what do you suggest ?

Do we wait for [BERRY] and [ARBERG] to get RFC numbers and then move them to normative references ? With regards to [CARREL] I do not think anyone is looking at moving this
draft forward, but it is implemented in BRAS equipment today, and is in
use in networks, so we somehow need to keep the reference.

Looking at this further, I have to disagree with Eric that the references need to be Normative in order to appease IANA. This is an FCFS registry, it will be very likely that IANA will have to deal with non-RFC, and perhaps draft-only references. This is commonly done, as an example:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-extended-communities

Eric, if you insist we can take this up with IANA and the RFC Editor to see what the right thing to do here is, but I think that keeping these references as Informative will suffice.

- Mark

thanks,
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Townsley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31. maj 2006 15:04
To: Gray, Eric
Cc: Peter Arberg; Vince Mammoliti; Gen-ART@ietf.org
Subject: Re: draft-arberg-pppoe-iana-01.txt

Gray, Eric wrote:
    ==============================================================
=========
First, while I have to agree the three references listed as

Informative
are what I would imagine most people could agree to be just

that, it is
probable that IANA cannot create the registries indicated

until these
references are published, and possible that IANA will not

want this to
be published until they can create the corresponding

registries.  This
means that these references are essentially Normative in

their effect
on publication of this draft.

Is IANA going to be willing to allow publication of this

document as a
BCP without first creating the registries? Can IANA create

a registry
with references to WIP?



--------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Indeed you have uncovered a couple of bugs here, Thanks Eric.

I went to check up on these three references. The [BERRY] reference is for a draft that was actually approved by the IESG back in Jan, but seems to have popped out of the RFC Editor's queue shortly after. I had not noticed and am following up.

The [ARBERG] reference was just approved days ago, I assume it is advancing normally. Michelle (IANA) specifically acknowledged the IANA considerations section (which provides a cross-reference to the iana document) when this happened last week.

With respect to the [CARREL] reference (PADN and PADM), no one has asked me to publish this, and I am not aware of its advancement. The values are FCFS, so technically a draft is not needed, but it would be good to know if anyone is going to advance this or not. Perhaps it should not be in the initial list? Authors, do we know if this is implemented and in use?

Thanks,

- Mark

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Internet Draft Peter Arberg Redback Networks Intended status: Best Current Practice Expiration Date: August 2006 Vince Mammoliti Cisco Systems


February 2006





           IANA Considerations for PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE)

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Abstract

This document describes the IANA considerations for the PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE) protocol.




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Table of Contents

   1. Introduction...............................................   2
    1.1 Terminology..............................................   2
    1.2 Specification of Requirements............................   2
   2. IANA Considerations........................................   3
    2.1 Registration Policies for PPPoE TAG Values...............   3
    2.2 Reserved PPPoE TAG Values................................   3
    2.3 Registration Policies for PPPoE Code fields..............   4
    2.4 Reserved PPPoE Code fields...............................   4
   3. Security Considerations....................................   4
   4. References.................................................   5
    4.1 Normative References.....................................   5
    4.2 Informative References...................................   5
      Author's Address...........................................   5
      Full Copyright Statement...................................   6
      Intellectual Property Statement............................   6


1. Introduction

   This document provides guidance to the Internet Assigned Numbers
Authority (IANA) regarding the registration of values related to the PPP over Ethernet Protocol (PPPoE), defined in [RFC2516], in
   accordance with BCP 26, [RFC2434].  It also reserves PPPoE TAG
   values as well as PPPoE packet Code fields which are or have been
   in use on the Internet.


1.1 Terminology

   The following terms are used here with the meanings defined in
   BCP 26:  "name space", "registration".

   The following policies are used here with the meanings defined in
   BCP 26: "First Come First Served".

1.2 Specification of Requirements

In this document, several words are used to signify the requirements
   of the specification.  These words are often capitalized.  The key
words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document
   are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119].








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2. IANA Considerations

The PPPoE protocol as defined in [RFC2516] defines two name spaces that requires registration, the PPPoE TAG and the PPPoE Code field.


2.1 Registration Policies for PPPoE TAG Values

   IANA shall set up a registry of "PPPoE TAG Values". These are
16-bit values. PPPoE TAG values already in use are specified as reserved in this document, all other TAG values between 0 and 65535 are to be assigned by IANA, using the "First Come First Served" policy defined in [RFC2434]. A TAG-Name, and a point of contact or a specification description (if any exists) MUST be provided for any assignment from this registry."


2.2 Reserved PPPoE TAG Values

   TAG Value            TAG Name                         Reference
   --------------       -------------------------        ---------
   0       0x0000       End-Of-List                      [RFC2516]
      257     0x0101       Service-Name                     [RFC2516]
   258     0x0102       AC-Name                          [RFC2516]
   259     0x0103       Host-Uniq                        [RFC2516]
   260     0x0104       AC-Cookie                        [RFC2516]
   261     0x0105       Vendor-Specific                  [RFC2516]
   262     0x0106       Credits                          [BERRY]
   263     0x0107       Metrics                          [BERRY]
   264     0x0108       Sequence Number                  [BERRY]

   272     0x0110       Relay-Session-Id                 [RFC2516]
   273     0x0111       HURL                             [CARREL]
   274     0x0112       MOTM                             [CARREL]
      288     0x0120       PPP-Max-Payload                  [ARBERG]
   289     0x0121       IP_Route_Add                     [CARREL]
      513     0x0201       Service-Name-Error               [RFC2516]
   514     0x0202       AC-System-Error                  [RFC2516]
   515     0x0203       Generic-Error                    [RFC2516]




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2.3 Registration Policies for PPPoE Code fields

IANA shall set up a registry of PPPoE Active Discovery Code fields. These are 8-bit values. PPPoE Code fields already in use are specified as reserved in this document, all other Code values between 0 and 255 are to be assigned by IANA, using the "First Come First Served" policy defined in [RFC2434]. A PPPoE Active Discovery packet name and a point of contact or a specification description (if any exists) MUST be provided for any assignment from this registry."


2.4 Reserved PPPoE Code fields

   Code Value  PPPoE Packet Name                         Reference
   ----------  ---------------------------------------   ---------
   0     0x00  PPP Session Stage                         [RFC2516]

   7     0x07  PADO, Offer                               [RFC2516]
   9     0x09  PADI, Initiation                          [RFC2516]

   10    0x0a  PADG, Session-Grant                       [BERRY]
   11    0x0b  PADC, Session-Credit Response             [BERRY]
   12    0x0c  PADQ, Quality                             [BERRY]

   25    0x19  PADR, Request                             [RFC2516]
   101   0x65  PADS, Session-confirmation                [RFC2516]

   167   0xa7  PADT, Terminate                           [RFC2516]

   211   0xd3  PADM, Message                             [CARREL]
   212   0xd4  PADN, Network                             [CARREL]



3. Security Considerations

This document focuses on IANA considerations for the PPPoE protocol, and as such should help remove the possibility for the same PPPoE code field and PPPoE TAG value being used for different functionalities.










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4. References

4.1 Normative References

   [RFC2119]      Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
                  Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997.

[RFC2434] Narten, T. and H. Alvestrand, "Guidelines for Writing
                  an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs", BCP 26, RFC
                  2434, October 1998.

[RFC2516] Mamakos L., Lidl K., Evarts J., Carrel D., Simone D., Wheeler R., "A Method for Transmitting PPP Over Ethernet (PPPoE)", RFC 2516, February 1999


4.2 Informative References

[CARREL] Carrel D., Simone D., Ho C., Stoner T., "Extensions to a Method for Transmitting PPP Over Ethernet (PPPoE)", work in progress.

[BERRY] Berry B., Holgate H., "PPP Over Ethernet (PPPoE) Extensions for Credit Flow and Link Metrics", work in progress.

[ARBERG] Arberg P., Kourkouzelis D., Duckett M., Anschutz T., Moisand J., "Accommodating an MTU/MRU greater than 1492 in PPPoE", work in progress.


Authors' Addresses

   Peter Arberg    Redback Networks, Inc.
   300 Holger Way
   San Jose, CA 95134
   USA
   Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Vince Mammoliti
   Cisco Systems, Inc.
   181 Bay Street, Suite 3400
   Toronto, Ontario, M5J 2T3
   Canada
   EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






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