Hi Achal,

I am not sure how I came to receive this email, but yes I will look at the
site and watch the film and give some feedback and consider participation in
a broader discussion.

I will also circulate the project more widely among the concealed expert
group.

Cheers

Fran

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> A group of us have been working on a project to explore the possibility
> of oral citations on Wikipedia, and inadvertently (and happily), it
> turns out that there is a really interesting gender dimension that came
> up during the course of it.
>
> The central problem we were trying to address was the lack of scholarly
> printed material outside the Anglo-European world, and how it affects
> knowledge production on Wikipedia.
>
> In the course of our work (and this may just be a coincidence) many of
> the foremost experts on oral culture turn out to be women; for e.g.
> Isabel Hofmeyr in South Africa and Urvashi Butalia in India. They both
> have a host of interesting points to make in the film, and Urvashi has
> one in particular worth nothing (described below, at point 38:35). She
> talks - from experience as a feminist publisher over the years, and as
> an oral historian, primarily of the stories of women from the partition
> of India - about how she finds that, often, the women who know don't
> think that what they know is noteworthy.
>
> I am aware of the research and debates that sparked off the creation of
> this list; I think there are several points in this project's trajectory
> (many of which are explained in the film) that have some bearing -
> tangential and direct - on the 'gender gap'.
>
> We'd be delighted if you might check out the project page, watch the
> film and give us your feedback.
>
> Cheers,
> Achal
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge
> Date:   Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:38:20 +0530
> From:   Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com>
> To:     Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <
> foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to
> explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated
> by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European
> world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived
> reality in India and South Africa.
>
> We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd
> like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within
> India and South Africa.
>
> There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
>
> The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well
> as the findings and results:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
>
> A film made on the project is available here:
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv?withJS=MediaWiki:MwEmbed.js
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv
> or
> http://vimeo.com/26469276
>
> There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within
> the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project.
> At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on
> this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
>
> There are still some things to come, namely:
>
> - Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
> (as they happen)
> - Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result
> of the project (as they happen)
> - English transcripts of the interviews and a full English subtitle track
> for further translation (we could use some help here).
>
> We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader
> discussion.
>
> Best wishes,
> Achal
>
>
>
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