Actually, Sarah's post is quite useful to me. On en.wiki, people are
constantly asking why they should care about the gender gap, as they
don't see how it relates to improving the encyclopedia. Being able to
point out examples like...
* We have an article on barbers, but none for hairdressers
* We have an article on male pimps, but not for madams
...makes it concrete how our systemic bias hurts the quality of the
encyclopedia. Personally, I would love to hear about the systemic bias
issues on wikis besides en.wiki, and would encourage people to post
examples. These examples not only provide good opportunities for women
to contribute, but help to convince people that there is a problem worth
addressing. Of course, this should not be the sole purpose of the list,
but I think it is useful (and interesting) to discuss.
Ryan Kaldari
On 12/25/11 11:56 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
/I'm looking forward to hearing what Caroline would like to
discuss, or Beria./
Well Peter, when I come here (the day the list was created) the idea
was to create a list to discuss HOW TO REDUCE GENDER GAP (in caps to
make it more clear), that was the propose and that was the one I
accepted.
So far, I saw lots of discussions about en.wiki articles and images,
and very little about the main objective of this list. I'm asking too
much that we actually start discuss what we came here to discuss? I
don't think so.
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On 25 December 2011 19:41, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com
<mailto:petefors...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Agreed. On Christmas (or any other day), I am thankful this list
helps move things forward in a variety of ways, for a variety of
different people. I'm looking forward to hearing what Caroline
would like to discuss, or Beria. But glad to know your thoughts on
"pimp" and "madam" sarah, and to see a suggested path to improving
wikipedia content. I do enjoy that stuff the most. Collabotative
encyclopedia writing is fucking awesome, and I love how everybody
goes about it a little differently.
Pete
On Dec 25, 2011 11:25 AM, "Ole Palnatoke Andersen"
<palnat...@gmail.com <mailto:palnat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Sarah Stierch
<sarah.stie...@gmail.com <mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
...
> It's a shame that my posts have been so bothersome for the
list, I never
> knew that I was only making things worse, or not helping at all.
I, for one, do not find your posts bothersome.
I find no problem with having one gender-neutral article for
barbers
and hairdressers or for pimps and madams, but I do find it
better to
have *two* good articles on the respective subjects.
Regards,
Ole
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