Rupert I have spoken to women from several other projects who have identified it as an issue. They tend not to post to english-language mailing lists. The overwhelming majority of women who post to this list are from English Wikipedia or other primarily English projects, so the comments will naturally be weighted in that way.
Risker/Anne On 4 July 2014 14:53, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: > do you know women outside the north american culture, i.e. US and CA, > affected by this? > > rupert > Am 03.07.2014 21:13 schrieb "Leigh Honeywell" <le...@hypatia.ca>: > > Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on >> editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the >> project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as >> "micromanagement" but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big >> picture /does/ require organizational leadership to address specific >> things. >> >> -Leigh >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Well, here's the issue. It's never been clear to me whether this is a >> > WMF-wide issue or it's an English Wikipedia specific issue. The >> > overwhelming majority of people participating on this list work almost >> > exclusively on enwiki, and almost every single experience discussed here >> > involves enwiki. >> > >> > As important as we all know English Wikipedia to be (if nothing else, >> it's >> > the fundraising driver from which the bulk of donations derives), it's >> also >> > only one of hundreds of projects. There are issues with the Board >> > micromanaging a single project directly, and pretty serious issues when >> the >> > Board tries to fix a problem on one project by creating a global policy >> or >> > rule that may actually be counterproductive in other areas. (And as we >> can >> > see from the obtuseness that Commons shows about such issues as >> personality >> > rights - a major gendergap issue in my mind - even when the Board does >> try >> > to intervene, it's often ineffective.) >> > >> > Risker/Anne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 3 July 2014 14:58, Leigh Honeywell <le...@hypatia.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that >> >> WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve >> >> these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the >> >> chain"? >> >> >> >> -Leigh >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several >> >> >> occasions >> >> >> when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of >> >> >> certain >> >> >> individuals to initiate a case....but nobody wanted to do that... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on >> >> > en.wiki >> >> > to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to >> >> > never >> >> > do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and >> enduring >> >> > constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I >> >> > painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely >> ignored >> >> > by >> >> > ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal >> threat. >> >> > He >> >> > is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to >> make >> >> > any >> >> > more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker, >> so I >> >> > don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to >> >> > ArbCom >> >> > is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is >> actually >> >> > counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed. >> >> > >> >> > 1. >> >> > >> >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Alastair_Haines_2&oldid=360884518 >> >> > >> >> > Ryan Kaldari >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Gendergap mailing list >> >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Leigh Honeywell >> >> http://hypatia.ca >> >> @hypatiadotca >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gendergap mailing list >> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Leigh Honeywell >> http://hypatia.ca >> @hypatiadotca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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