I'm European (from Ireland) and clearly identify this as a major issue. -- Allie (User:Alison)
On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:53 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: > do you know women outside the north american culture, i.e. US and CA, > affected by this? > > rupert > Am 03.07.2014 21:13 schrieb "Leigh Honeywell" <le...@hypatia.ca>: > Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on > editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the > project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as > "micromanagement" but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big > picture /does/ require organizational leadership to address specific > things. > > -Leigh > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, here's the issue. It's never been clear to me whether this is a > > WMF-wide issue or it's an English Wikipedia specific issue. The > > overwhelming majority of people participating on this list work almost > > exclusively on enwiki, and almost every single experience discussed here > > involves enwiki. > > > > As important as we all know English Wikipedia to be (if nothing else, it's > > the fundraising driver from which the bulk of donations derives), it's also > > only one of hundreds of projects. There are issues with the Board > > micromanaging a single project directly, and pretty serious issues when the > > Board tries to fix a problem on one project by creating a global policy or > > rule that may actually be counterproductive in other areas. (And as we can > > see from the obtuseness that Commons shows about such issues as personality > > rights - a major gendergap issue in my mind - even when the Board does try > > to intervene, it's often ineffective.) > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > > > > > > On 3 July 2014 14:58, Leigh Honeywell <le...@hypatia.ca> wrote: > >> > >> The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that > >> WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve > >> these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the > >> chain"? > >> > >> -Leigh > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> > >> wrote: > >> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several > >> >> occasions > >> >> when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of > >> >> certain > >> >> individuals to initiate a case....but nobody wanted to do that... > >> > > >> > > >> > Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on > >> > en.wiki > >> > to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to > >> > never > >> > do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and enduring > >> > constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I > >> > painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely ignored > >> > by > >> > ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal threat. > >> > He > >> > is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to make > >> > any > >> > more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker, so I > >> > don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to > >> > ArbCom > >> > is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is actually > >> > counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed. > >> > > >> > 1. > >> > > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Alastair_Haines_2&oldid=360884518 > >> > > >> > Ryan Kaldari > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Gendergap mailing list > >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Leigh Honeywell > >> http://hypatia.ca > >> @hypatiadotca > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > -- > Leigh Honeywell > http://hypatia.ca > @hypatiadotca > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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