While the coverage wouldn't have hurt, the bottom line is that people would rather create something of their own than work on something started by someone else. This is a reality, and it's one of the main reasons that people perceive Wikipedia as being "hard". Emily is right, creating new articles *is* hard; I'm pretty sure over the last 10 years I've created fewer than 15 articles. But "improving" an article is also hard, if the one you choose is "monitored" by a die-hard fan or someone who doesn't get the meaning of WP:OWN. I think that experienced editors (with emphasis on the word "editor" here) sometimes don't understand that many people get little pleasure out of improving what they see as someone else's creation; they want to have their own creation, that they can point to and say "I did that". It's exactly why we get people constantly pushing the boundaries of notability - not necessarily because they see a gap, but because they figure it's a way to gain recognition for creating a big pile of articles.
We have to bear in mind that we're dealing with multiple agendas in these specific edit-a-thons. There's the "all art is tremendously important" agenda, there's the "women are not given their due" agenda, there's the commercial or self-interest agenda (one that is often ignored in some of these specialized group activities). Plus of course there is the "let's make Wikipedia better" agenda that's common to all edit-a-thons. Risker/Anne On 12 March 2016 at 19:14, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > I very much agree, Emily. I wonder if this time, perhaps all the > (wonderful and timely) media coverage of Emily Temple Wood's efforts to > create new articles may have influenced organizers and/or participants? > Perhaps it created a bit of a consensus, conscious or unconscious, that > *creating new articles* was the main desired result. > > If so, this might be a bit of a one-time anomaly, may not indicate a need > for major changes. > > -Pete > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In general, creating articles are very difficult. The learning curve is >> steep, and it may be best to have people expand/improve articles instead of >> creating them. >> >> From, >> Emily >> On Mar 12, 2016 11:48 AM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism editathons >>> end up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles for artists at >>> the hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high percentage of >>> the articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge opportunity to >>> create and expand articles about artists and artworks with unquestionable >>> notability and high encyclopedic value. >>> >>> I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are >>> nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them >>> seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them are >>> also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and >>> Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people from >>> creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged them to >>> use the lists at >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>> instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I would >>> also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and leads >>> to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the >>> lists at >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks and >>> help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool for >>> addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a reputation for >>> just being self-promotional events. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc < >>> carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >>>> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a thon. >>>> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >>>> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>>> >>>>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>>>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>>>> >>>>> For example, see comments here: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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