it's hard to tell the privileged ignorance from the actively sexist. ultimately motive does not matter. the biting culture rejects what does not fit the stereotype just as associate professor is a delete me sign, so is "feminist" an editathon for newbies are SPA, and where one of the article subjects are present is COI it's all about the NPOV ethics. lol
and after 12 nominations maybe 2 deletions. we should expect this kind of push back from the cultural buzzsaw. our scrunity of the newbie work will be part of the editathon process. so it goes. cheers On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> wrote: > It was mostly a passing impulse that I was worried about, and decided to > express, just in case. > > But since I'm currently semi-wikibonked, and you're actually participating > in the discussions (thanks!), you probably know more than I do. > > From, > Emily > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Emily, could you elaborate on your reason for thinking sexist Wikipedians >> were a significant factor here? Having reviewed and engaged with several of >> the articles and AfDs under discussion, I don't see any reason for that. In >> my view, there were some unnecessarily unpleasant comments, but nothing >> that struck me as sexist. But if I've missed something, I'd like to know. >> -Pete >> [[User:Peteforsyth]] >> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Do you think the draft templates were the issue? Maybe I'm overly >>> cynical, perhaps they advertised the fact that they were created by arts >>> and feminism to sexist wikipedians. >>> >>> From, >>> Emily >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexand...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is actually the 3rd year of Art+Feminism, and the organizers' >>>> focus has consistently been on improving existing articles (particularly >>>> stubs!), as most appropriate to new Wikipedians, particularly at this scale >>>> of effort. >>>> >>>> Of course some new Wikipedians are eager to start new articles, and we >>>> accommodate that as best we can, both with personal assistance from >>>> long-term Wikipedians where possible, and also technical innovations like >>>> the draft template system we premiered this year. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Pharos >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I very much agree, Emily. I wonder if this time, perhaps all the >>>>> (wonderful and timely) media coverage of Emily Temple Wood's efforts to >>>>> create new articles may have influenced organizers and/or participants? >>>>> Perhaps it created a bit of a consensus, conscious or unconscious, that >>>>> *creating new articles* was the main desired result. >>>>> >>>>> If so, this might be a bit of a one-time anomaly, may not indicate a >>>>> need for major changes. >>>>> >>>>> -Pete >>>>> [[User:Peteforsyth]] >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonro...@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In general, creating articles are very difficult. The learning curve >>>>>> is steep, and it may be best to have people expand/improve articles >>>>>> instead >>>>>> of creating them. >>>>>> >>>>>> From, >>>>>> Emily >>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:48 AM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I find it disappointing that so many of the Art and Feminism >>>>>>> editathons end up focusing almost exclusively on creating new articles >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> artists at the hosting institution. Not only does this lead to a high >>>>>>> percentage of the articles being deleted, but it's a waste of a huge >>>>>>> opportunity to create and expand articles about artists and artworks >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> unquestionable notability and high encyclopedic value. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no doubt that many of the Art and Feminism articles that are >>>>>>> nominated for deletion are nominated due to gender bias (as some of them >>>>>>> seem rather trivial to find sources for and improve), but many of them >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> also legitimately on the notability borderline. At all of the Art and >>>>>>> Feminism editathons that I've volunteered at, I've discouraged people >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> creating articles about people they knew personally, and encouraged >>>>>>> them to >>>>>>> use the lists at >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>>>>>> instead. If you are helping to run an Art and Feminism editathon, I >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> also suggest doing this, as it provides more value for Wikipedia and >>>>>>> leads >>>>>>> to fewer deletions. I would also like to encourage everyone to edit the >>>>>>> lists at >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tasks >>>>>>> and help keep them full of good suggestions. Editathons are a great tool >>>>>>> for addressing the gendergap, and I would hate for them to get a >>>>>>> reputation >>>>>>> for just being self-promotional events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Carol Moore dc < >>>>>>> carolmoor...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone should write a letter to the editor of the those 5 or 6 >>>>>>>> publications that came in my google alerts on the topic of the edit a >>>>>>>> thon. >>>>>>>> (Search news google to find them.) And of course deal with the few >>>>>>>> legtimate complaints and the trolls with nonsense complaints. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/12/2016 10:17 AM, Neotarf wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All the articles created at Regina ArtAndFeminism event have been >>>>>>>>> tagged. Ten of them have been submitted for deletion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Regina/ArtAndFeminism_2016/University_of_Regina >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For example, see comments here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Risa_Horowitz >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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