I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image
and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to have
an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows or
drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no idea
how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add.
bb

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote:

> The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is something 
> like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a process to order 
> machines without an OS for the small number of people who would even request 
> that sort of thing, you can see why the big box manufacturers don't want to 
> deal with it. A local computer shop will do it because it's not like they 
> have to interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A. Lappin" <ma...@lmfj.com>
> To: "general@brlug.net" <general@brlug.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
>
>> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a 
>> preloaded linux one
>> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW 
>> the same issue applies to Apple.
>
>
>
> A few years ago is a whole different story.  I don't use linux as my primary 
> desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been 
> an option for the pre-installed OS.  End-User desktop linux has really 
> matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more 
> hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an 
> OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make 
> available.  Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand.  Many 
> more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and 
> that makes a big difference.
>
> Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS,  I've never tried to as a home 
> user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various 
> helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts.   The few 
> machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to 
> get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine 
> by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM 
> Windows XP).  For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in 
> various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user 
> just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily 
> offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the 
> average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, 
> being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work.   I am not saying I 
> 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I 
> can see
>  why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus 
> more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that 
> machine just went down.  I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone 
> call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the 
> business orders division where its more common.
>
> I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the 
> market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name 
> computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. 
>  Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off 
> of OEM support for home users not running Windows.
>
>
> ML
>
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