Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
(nonbinding) +1 from me on putting the replyto to go to the list... .

Same from me. I think having the reply-to go to the list helps ensure discussions remain on the list, which I feel that helps the community as a whole.


Plus, another suggestion for an alternative name:  "share" or "shared"

Index: STATUS
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RCS file: /home/cvspublic/commons/STATUS,v
retrieving revision 1.25
diff -u -r1.25 STATUS
--- STATUS      20 Oct 2002 20:08:36 -0000      1.25
+++ STATUS      20 Oct 2002 21:22:44 -0000
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@
       - suite (sweet?)
       - belt (as in bat-belt or tool-belt)
       - mcgiver
+      - share or shared
       - ?


Also, is there a list where the cvs commit messages are going for the commons cvs repo? Or is there another place where discussion regarding modification of the STATUS document is occuring?


regards,
michael

On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 16:09, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:

APACHE COMMONS PROJECT STATUS:                          -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2002/10/20 20:08:36 $]

Release:
   none yet; still defining mission :-)


Resolved Issues:

   o The Commons will be language-agnostic.

o Projects that are "in scope" are defined as:
- Existing components that are, or would be, useful to multiple
projects



Pending issues: o Enabling Reply-to on the @commons lists: +1: aaron, coar, donaldp, geirm -1: fitz, gstein, jerenkrantz, striker, jim

o The name 'Commons' has caused some heartburn with the
Jakarta community because of the Jakarta-Commons project.
Should we rename to avoid conflicts and keep the peace?
Conflicts would include Java namespace as well as
philosophical aspects.
+1: +0: coar (i'm willing)
-0: jerenkrantz
-1:


   o If we rename, to what?  What words/names describe our
     purpose?
     - toolbox
     - util
     - library
     - suite (sweet?)
     - belt (as in bat-belt or tool-belt)
     - mcgiver
     - ?

What is the project's mission?  Our statement of goals/mission/vision
should arise from the answers to the following and other questions:
(jim notes that defining something after the fact seems very backwards
and broken)

   o Should it be a parent of reusable code projects used by other
     parts of the ASF?
     +1: coar, donaldp (if compatible communities), gstein
     +0: fitz, striker
     -0: jerenkrantz, jim

   o Should commons have an sandbox component to ease infrastructure
     burden on smaller code bases?
     +1: coar, donaldp, jerenkrantz, gstein
      0: aaron
     -1: jim (the PMC is about reusability, not sandbox)

   o What types of components would be appropriate for this
     project? ("in scope")

     - Tools that help/promote reusability?
       Hypothetical: ant, jlibtool, ASF-based autoconf
       +1: jerenkrantz, gstein, striker
       -1:

     - Reusable libraries?
       Hypothetical: serf, regexp
       +1: jerenkrantz, gstein, striker
       -1:

     - Development frameworks?
       Hypothetical: avalon
       +1:
       -1:

     - Donations that don't cleanly fit into any other projects, but
       do fit the goals of the commons?
       +1: coar, jerenkrantz, fitz,
           donaldp (if it fits the community reqs),
           gstein (but the Incubator can claim a donation first; it
                   only arrives here if the Incubator says it is worthy)
       +0: striker (it either belongs in commons or it doesn't, other
                    projects aren't relevant here, unless they are
                    'the obvious home')
       -1: aaron, jim (otherwise commons becomes a junk drawer)

- Donations that don't cleanly fit into any other projects, and
don't fit the goals of commons?
+1: -0: gstein (what are the "goals of commons"?)
-1: coar, jerenkrantz, striker, fitz, jim


     - Donations that could fit but have a more obvious (proper) home which
       has already rejected it?
       +1: coar, donaldp, gstein (note the "might fit" term)
       -0:
       -1: jerenkrantz, jim, aaron, striker, fitz

     - Existing ASF components whose committers believe that they
       are a better fit under commons and the commons PMC agrees?
       (If this component were brought up as new, we would accept it.)
       +1: coar, donaldp, jerenkrantz, striker, gstein, fitz
       +0: aaron (we need to refine this point, but I like it in general)
       -1: jim (by this definition httpd could be in commons)
               (gstein says: see the "if" part; we wouldn't accept httpd)
               (jim says: until we better define what the PMC would or
                would not accept, then this seems too wishy-washy to me)

     - Packages being worked on by Apache developers, with a clear
       affiliation, that can't or won't be bundled?  (E.g., an
       httpd module)
       +1: coar, donaldp
       -1: jerenkrantz, striker, gstein, fitz, jim

Current mission/charter as approved by the board:

   'The Apache Commons PMC hereby is responsible for the creation
   and maintenance of software related to reusable libraries and
   components, based on software licensed to the Foundation.'

The complete text of the resolution that was passed is:

      WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
      interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
      Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
      Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
      open-source software related to reusable libraries and
      components, for distribution at no charge to the public.

      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
      Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Commons PMC", be
      and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation;
      and be it further

      RESOLVED, that the Apache Commons PMC be and hereby is
      responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
      related to reusable libraries and components, based on software
      licensed to the Foundation; and be it further

      RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Commons"
      be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
      serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
      of the Apache Commons PMC, and to have primary responsibility
      for management of the projects within the scope of
      responsibility of the Apache Commons PMC; and be it further

      RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
      hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
      Apache Commons PMC:

             Aaron Bannert
             Ken Coar (chair)
             Peter Donald
             Justin Erenkrantz
             Brian W. Fitzpatrick
             Jim Jagielski
             Geir Magnusson Jr.
             Greg Stein
             Sander Striker

      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Ken Coar be and
      hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache
      Commons, to serve in accordance with and subject to the
      direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
      Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
      disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
      further

      RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Commons PMC be and hereby is
      tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
      encourage open development and increased participation in the
      Apache Commons Project.

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