I have had some serious frustration installing J804, even in the "default"
location. My installation is largely complete, but has triggered this post.

To start over I went to the following link, as a suggested starting point.

http://www.jsoftware.com/start.htm

That page makes it seem that using J requires 2 step.

a)download a system and then follow the install instructions and load J,
and then

b) "get a quick overview of the language by selecting menu Studio|Labs, and
running the first few labs" .

Those instructions leave a big gap though, because I assume that jqt is not
automatically installed for many operating systems. If not, between the two
steps one must install qtide (and maybe pacman). Otherwise, how does
someone find the "Studio|Labs" menu? It is in the jqt that has not been
installed, and even there it is buried in the "Help" menu.


Furthermore, the "Install" instructions are at the following link.

http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/System/Installation/J804

Within the "Overview" subheading at that link is the following quote, which
seems to me to be misleading and understated. For example, the phrase,
"Some include the", would be better replaced with, "Most exclude the almost
essential".

"All distributions support Jconsole and JHS. Some include the Qt desktop,
which can also be installed separately, see Qt IDE."

Shouldn't it also be stated that without that inclusion (slightly
different) Labs (and demos) are available differently in other ide's of J
such as jhs and jconsole.

So, I am acknowledging that things have gotten quite complicated for a new
user, and even for a vet like me, to install J on a desktop computer. The
versatility  of J has created quite a complex installation that needs to be
reviewed or discussed, in my opinion.


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