On Aug 4, 2006, at 08:31, Danny Angus wrote:
Hi everybody, I don't have a binding vote here, but.. -1 I strongly object to the name, in some sense I object to this name because it is also the name of the city in which I work, and conversations about "Glasgow" will be a bit wierd. But very much more importantly I would also like to publicly stand up and say that I think it is ridiculous that time after time we misappropriate proper nouns to name our projects with. Stop it. Stop it now. It is misguided to think that it can be done without making a cultural reference, and it is naieve to think that all such references will be appropriate or well received by those whose culture is being misrepresented. The fact that Glasgow is not an impoverished and exploited region of Africa or Asia doesn't make it any less inappropriate to use it as a project name. I think it is about time that we grew up and introduced a rule which prevents words already used as proper nouns from being proposed as project names unless there is some real and relevant on-topic connection. Don't be lazy, if trademarks and IP make it difficult to pick an apropriate name straight away don't just revert to sticking a pin in the map, get out a thesaurus. With the notable and highly significant exceptions of "Apache" and "Jakarta" (both of which raise difficult questions) it seems as if it has only really become common practice since the incubator with Derby, Geronimo, Tuscany, & Woden to name some that I know about. You guys have the chance to stop it by rejecting this project on the basis of its name.
Danny has stated something here that I have also begun to feel rather strongly about. Consider, for a moment, how it would feel if we called a project Canada, or perhaps Russia. Yet we have Trinidad and Tobago. Someone on IRC mentioned that they hear of Jakarta in two contexts - one, the Apache project, and the other, when something unpleasant is happening in that part of the world.
While I wouldn't necessarily vote to reject the proposal solely on this one point (although I do agree with all of the points so eloquently stated by Garrett - but I'm not a member of the Incubator PMC) I would strongly request that the changing of the name be a prerequisite for graduation, if this proposal is indeed accepted.
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