On 9 Aug 06, at 9:06 PM 9 Aug 06, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Craig L Russell wrote:
Has anyone ever considered making IRC chats available (on some
basis) as
an Apache archive? Seems that Apache (myself included) doesn't
like IRC
so much because it is not available to those of us who because of
time
zone or other reasons can't attend.
No - mostly because IRC CANNOT BE USED to make project decisions.
It's lovely for beating down a problem, kicking around ideas, but
those
ideas MUST COME BACK TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Decisions themselves must be made on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's the responsibility of the project participants to grab any useful
log thread, forward it on to the dev@ list to get people thinking and
voting.
Automatically capturing IRC logs undermines this responsibility and
harms
the project (for exactly the reasons you point out above).
How does automatically capturing the logs undermine anything. It is
convenient to point at threads of discussion in IRC and even though
summaries can be provided there's nothing like reading the source
material. Just as we often summarize threads on [EMAIL PROTECTED], it's still
nice to go back to the archives and read over the messages.
We keep our messages here:
http://dev.rectang.com/logs/codehaus/
And I think they are pretty handy and provide the source material for
any summaries. Good evidence of how this works in practice is #cxf
where the XFire and Celtix folks have been chatting about ideas and
then you see the summary on the mailing list. If you want to go see
the IRC log in question you can:
http://dev.rectang.com/logs/codehaus/%23cxf/20060809.html
I think accountability is actually promoted by logging the channel
because if people notice the logs continually growing with no
corresponding chatter on the mailing lists then you can identify a
problem. If you the channels aren't logged you're never going to know
and it probably wouldn't be because a group intentionally trying to
undermine the standard channels of communication, it would probably
just be habit. You could point at the log and give a gentle nudge to
push the discussion to the mailing list.
I personally don't see any downside to logging the channels.
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