On 6/7/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. It has been pointed out to me that: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 The actual votes are held on the private lists. I'm not sure I understand that. I would have thought that - after having the pre-vote discussion on the private lists, the main vote would happen on the podling-dev and [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. Can someone please explain the logic to me?
How come there hasn't been a formal [VOTE] on this as it's a policy change? Its quite hard to keep track of what the current incubator policy's are, at least [VOTE]s are easier to spot, with this its required just watching the guide history in SVN: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/guides/ppmc.xml?view=log Why did it need to change so that poddling votes are no longer binding when voting in new committers? When a poddling votes in a new committer the new person doesn't really get any power, their vote doesn't count for a release or anything, all they get is write access to the poddling SVN which isn't really even a 'real' apache project svn, and they will have submitted a CCLA, its almost like having to get IPMC approval just to attach code to a JIRA? This is also just for a new committer not a new PPMC member. The current guide says voting in a new PPMC member _doesn't_ need any binding IPMC votes, surely at least this should be swapped so its the new PPMC member that needs the binding IPMC votes not the new committer? The new way gives two ways of voting in a committer, the private way, and the public way (which is described as inferior). The public way seems _really_ inferior because those IPMCers with binding votes haven't been involved in any of the private discussion yet so there's no assurances at all the the vote will pass which would be embarrassing for all those involved. The private way doesn't seem great either. If its anything like release votes it can take weeks and some off list prodding to get the votes but the poddling can't see what goes on on incubator private so they don't know if; its almost there; or any votes at all; or ongoing discussion; or if their email has even made it through moderation to the private list yet. How about changing it so; (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is starting on the poddling's private list so IPMCers can participate in that discussion; (2) when the actual vote happens the incubator is notified again so they can participate on the poddlings mailing list (ie not voting /discussing on incubator-private where the poddling PPMC can't see whats going on); (3) the IPMC peoples votes are done by lazy consensus so as long as there are enough poddling PPMC votes the vote passes whether or not there are 3 binding IPMC votes (4) the same (1) (2) (3) for a new PPMC member (maybe (3) should be dropped for a new PPMC member?) ...ant
