On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Thorsten Scherler<thorsten.scherler....@juntadeandalucia.es> wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler<rgard...@apache.org> > wrote: >> >> > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of > a >> > podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up >> > with documented evidence that either a) the committers are not >> > listening to the community or b) there is no active oversight from >> > those with voting rights. >> > >> >> The Incubator policy minimum graduation requirements says: >> >> "The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there >> are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single >> company or entity that is vital to the success of the project)" >> - > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating > +from+the+Incubator >> >> There is a judgement call to be made about if a committer needs to be >> active and what being active means (posting to the ML vs. committing >> code etc). > > The archives are full of discussions what active is and what not. > > Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in > the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more > important then committing code, or do we not always saying community > over code?
I disagree with "community OVER code" and IMO should be "community AND code" - since a successful/active project needs both. Niall >> >> Committing code is important, having just two actively committing >> committers isn't quite enough IMHO, especially when they're both with >> the same employer. > > Not sure here but Greg pointed out that the project is NOT (!!!) part of > their day job. Meaning they are independent since the company has > nothing to do with Pivot. > > How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2 > coding committers but how many other committers? > >> In the past lots of poddlings first graduation vote >> doesn't pass due to diversity issues, they go away and encourage >> others to be active committers and graduate on the next attempt and >> the project is better for it, and thats what I think should happen >> here with Pivot. > > If they have 3 committers than I do not see the diversity part as > problem. Diversity is for projects which have a company behind it that > have a big interest in the project and its direction. Since we used DAY > as example in the thread a lot: Day has an interest in Sling and its > directions, if only Day employee are committers and they work mainly on > their working hours on the project then Sling would have a diversity > problem, since as soon as Day loose interest the project can die. > > Since there is no company behind Pivot I do not see at all the diversity > as problem. Only if there are only two committers that I see as problem > since voting does not work out. > > salu2 > -- > Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org> > Open Source Java <consulting, training and solutions> > > Sociedad Andaluza para el Desarrollo de la Sociedad > de la Información, S.A.U. (SADESI) > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
