On 6/6/11 10:41, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
Hi Richard, *

2011/6/6 Richard S. Hall<he...@ungoverned.org>
On 6/6/11 2:48, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 6/5/11 11:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 6/6/2011 1:06 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Phil Steitz<phil.ste...@gmail.com>    wrote:

[...]

Disclaimer: I work for Oracle, but certainly don't speak for them and I knew 
nothing about this other than what i've read on these mailing lists...

However, it seems like we have lost sight of the fact that TDF split the 
community from OOo. Sure, Oracle is the perceived villain and TDF the perceived 
good guy, but it doesn't change the fact that OOo created the community in the 
first place.

Fact: Your employer provoked the split, by a absolute
"non-communication" on the existing mailinglist.
Now, to say that TDF has split the Communtiy is dishonest!

Forking splits communities. Whether you feel you had a justified reason for doing so does not change this fact. I am not weighing in on whether it is right or wrong in this case, since I think that is immaterial to where we are now.

I am only going by the "facts" as presented on the various Apache mailing lists. If it is true that TDF was engaged by Oracle/IBM before the Apache proposal, but failed to come to terms, then I cannot see how one can claim that the Apache proposal was merely an attempt to split the community.

Under these conditions, I'll change my entry in the wiki.

That's your call. I'm not trying to be offensive. I was just responding to someone else's "statement of fact" with my own. Don't let it bother you that people see things differently.

-> richard

Best regards

Manfred, ex german Co-Lead OOo

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