My personal threshold for evaluating the overall quality of a mentor's work is whether or not I can exceed their level of competence and effort towards a podling within 5 hours of reviewing the podling's history. Most of the time I can. Certainly can in the Kato and Tashi cases.
You are right tho that mentoring is a sustained commitment to a podling over a long period of time. I think we are headed in the right direction by actively reviewing the reports of longstanding podlings to see whether their mentors are still able to demonstrate oversight. >________________________________ > From: Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation >coordinator" > >On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Well I think we will likely see more of the >> same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion, >> then wandering off once the podling is underway. > >Hm, you might be right on that. > >If we would have a smaller IPMC, with elected people, as we already >discussed, would it help? Not sure in this case. But if one must earn >"IPMC" membership as in every other project, it is probably more >likely that he will fulfill the duties he asked for. > >I just asked myself if such a longterm duty can work out in a >volunteer based organisation. We all have dayjobs (most of us), people >sometimes put up other prios. We ask for somebody who fills roles for >a pretty long time and stay committed to a project. On other projects >you can go silent for a while, this is not possible when being a >mentor or a champion. > >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >>>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM >>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation >>>coordinator" >>> >>>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>>wrote: >>>> I doubt writing some more documentation on >>>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities >>>> for yet another role will make a material >>>> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel >>>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement >>>> program, and the generally poor quality of >>>> mentoring is the natural result of that. >>> >>>If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't >>>accept the podling. >>>This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we >>>do not accept every podling which sounds cool. >>>Better less but well-cared podlings. >>> >>>How to care on what we have now is another question. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> >>>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org >>>>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation >>>>>coordinator" >>>>> >>>>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>>>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the >>>>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with >>>>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it. >>>>> >>>>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing >>>>>to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the >>>>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about. >>>>> >>>>>This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>http://www.grobmeier.de >>>https://www.timeandbill.de >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > >-- >http://www.grobmeier.de >https://www.timeandbill.de > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >
