On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes >> >> On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." >> <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>>>> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >>>>> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto >>>>> authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this >>>>> PMC. Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel >>>>> votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes allowed. >>>> >>>> -1 >>>> >>>> The argument is very simple, you don't allow a simple majority to >>>> tyrannize the minority. So the ASF has long held a simple standard >>>> of consensus on all committee additions and subtractions. Some >>>> majority might be irked at [insert name here]'s [actions|inaction| >>>> comments|silence] but that was never grounds to remove a committee >>>> member. If you want to propose some supermajority metric other than >>>> "unanimous", that could work (e.g. 2/3 or 3/4 in agreement >>> >>> In your plan then a -1 is really a -2 or -3? >>> >>> Sounds like a filibuster... >> >> No, I'm -1 to this proposal. I'd support his proposal if it were >> modified to provide for a measurable super-majority consensus. > > Define supermajority in a way that isn't patently absurd and perhaps > I'll consider amending it.
2/3. 3/4. Take your pick. I'd argue on the high end. Consider that to defeat a 3/4 supermajority consisting of 9 votes requires more than 2 people against. This committee has an order of magnitude more voters. Simple obstructionism is easy to deal with. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
