>From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Jul 26, 2012 11:07 PM, "Joe Schaefer" <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >________________________________ > > From: Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> > >To: general@incubator.apache.org > >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:37 PM > >Subject: Re: Incubator release task force > > > >Marvin, > > > >While I (think I) can understand your concern (that it should be the > >mentors who are reviewing releases, not yet another group), I'd suggest > >that Jukka's approach might be a way to get there. > > > Not for me- it is the podling's PPMC that needs to vet them properly, > and we need to ensure that people who do a good job at that are suitably > empowered to cast binding votes on release candidates. I can see why > podlings will be challenged for IPMC votes the first time thru, but > by the third release they should have enough IPMC participation in their > podling that the thought of coming to general@ and begging for votes > won't ever occur to them.
+1 I can think of at least one case where we pushed a PPMC forward so he could help other podlings. I've seen at least four releases benefit from this move. We need to do it more, and I hope this task-force will start to role that social structure into the docs (e.g. encourage successful release managers to ask for IPMC membership). > > > The reasons why we don't do this have nothing to do with the release process > or its documentation- it's just social norms colliding from different > areas of the ASF. > > > > > >The incubator release process is, at the moment, pretty fraught, and I > >suspect there are only a handful of people who really get it. I would > > > It sucks for the same old tired rationale behind excluding competent > peer reviewers from the halls of power here. Some of us think this > is a core failing of the IPMC, others disagree. If Jukka can satisfy > the anti-progressives and bring in more people willing to do a competent > job of reviewing candidates simply because these people are trying to > review other-podling candidates, more power to him. Again I will say > that this is slightly missing the point about *competent* review versus > a casual glance at licensing issues that someone unskilled in a codebase > might AT-BEST provide. > > > >posit that one outcome of Jukka's suggestion is a simplified release > >process, which is likely to be understandable to a larger number of > >mentors, meaning you address your core issue. > > > The release process *is* simple but laborious- it's supposed to be that way. > But if you've done one successful release iterating on those learnings > is considerably easier than trying to do it from scratch with just our > bloated process docs. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
