FYI: I have posted the proposal to the wiki and updated it based on the feedback from Marvin and Jakob: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DrillProposal
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > In fact, a big part of the motivation for proposing incubation before code > is ready is exactly to foster the discussions needed to form community. > > It is true that many projects that start without the fundamentals face > challenges that more mature projects face but that is really just a fact of > life with young projects. > > My own experience includes a project that also started without an initial > code drop. Mahout has gone on to have a vibrant welcoming community that > has fostered the donation and development of some very valuable software. > I expect Drill will be able to say the same thing before long. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jakob Homan <jgho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Any reason the design docs can't be put up in place of where the > > source would normally go? > > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Tomer Shiran <tshi...@maprtech.com> > wrote: > >> Marvin, thanks for commenting on the proposal! The initial committers > have > >> been working on the design for several months, and will commit the > design > >> once the project is approved, so we do not expect much friction during > the > >> design phase. With that said, we certainly do want to engage others > early > >> on, and our goal in incubating earlier is to encourage feedback and > >> contributions when it is still easy to change the APIs and extensibility > >> points. This is important because Drill (unlike, say, Google's Dremel) > must > >> be really flexible in order to be relevant to a broad user base, > allowing > >> multiple data sources, data formats and query languages. While many > >> projects enter incubation with a complete implementation, others don't, > and > >> due to the nature of this project we think that in this case it is > better > >> to start earlier. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tomer > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com > >wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Initial Source > >>>> ============== > >>>> There is no initial source code. All source code will be developed > within > >>>> the Apache Incubator. > >>> > >>> Coming in without any source code is going to pose a challenge to this > >>> podling. > >>> > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#incubator > >>> > >>> The incubator filters projects on the basis of the likeliness of > >>> them becoming > >>> successful meritocratic communities. The basic requirements for > >>> incubation > >>> are: > >>> > >>> * a working codebase -- over the years and after several > failures, > >>> the > >>> foundation came to understand that without an initial working > >>> codebase, it is generally hard to bootstrap a community. This > is > >>> because merit is not well recognized by developers without a > >>> working > >>> codebase. Also, the friction that is developed during the > initial > >>> design stage is likely to fragment the community. > >>> > >>> That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for. > >>> > >>> Marvin Humphrey > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
