I'm just happy to have PaaS as a part of Apache. Thanks to all who are doing this. -- With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ +7 916 562 8095
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> wrote: > On 13 June 2013 10:56, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >> Ross, thanks for bringing this up! I'm happy to be a part of this >> experiment. >> >> On 13 June 2013 09:13, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> wrote: >> >>> "Better" yes - "required" before we can vote - no. My reasoning is >>> that WSO2 have already agreed they will use a different name if VP >>> Branding requires it. In fact they won't have any choice since the >>> proposal clearly indicates the Stratos trademark will be assigned to >>> the ASF. >>> >> >> While owning the "Stratos" trademark would certainly put us in a position >> of being able to ask WSO2 to stop using StratosLive. But there's no >> guarantee that we would be successful. > > That's true, but there is no change in that risk even if we give WSO2 > an answer before the vote. What is more important (in my non-legal > opinion) is a publicly archived statement from the WSO2 CEO stating > they have no intention of abusing the Stratos mark that will be > donated to the ASF. We already have that. > > It's only about the required order, not about the end game. > > Note, it is normal practice for pre-existing marks to be formally > donated to the ASF during incubation, usually just before graduation. > The former owner does not (usually) want to assign a mark that may > become useless if the project does not graduate. Such graduation is > not wholly under the control of the trademark owner. > >> 1. You need to be mindful of third-parties using your trademark in a >> compound name. > > This is already encoded in the ASF trademarks policies - WSO2 have > agreed to conform to those policies. > >> 2. You need to apply branding rules consistently. > > WSO2 have agreed to do so. > > Sanjiva - perhaps you can edit the proposal to this effect in order to > help allay any fears. That is to include the statement you made > earlier: > > "if StratosLive is too close to home we can certainly change it. Bit > painful but not impossible." > > I don't want to hold up the vote for entry into the incubator on this > issue. At the same time I don't want VP Branding to be in a position > of having to come to a quick decision. We will have plenty of time > during incubation to resolve everything to our satisfaction. > Ultimately VP Branding will be able to object to graduation if the > issue has not been adequately addressed during incubation. > >> We allowed Couchbase (and >> others) to share our brand because they were seen as "friendly" to the >> community. > > This is the root of why CouchDB has a problem today. I believe you a > projecting that problem and its cause onto a different issue here. > This is not about allowing WSO2 an exception to the existing policy. > It is about giving WSO2, the Stratos project community (which includes > you) and VP Branding time to work on a satisfactory solution *during* > incubation rather than prior to a vote. In my opinion WSO2 have > demonstrated they are willing to play by the rules. > > Ross > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
