If a podling steadfastly refused to add any other committers, then I think its mentors would try to explain why that's a bad thing, and if that behaviour continued, then the incubator would vote against graduating it.
On 2013-09-25, at 2:12 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <deep...@gmail.com> wrote: > Apache is community over code, but here is more like code over community. > > As a community we should be able to tolerate the conflicts of interest. > Once the project is incubated in Apache, the project belongs to Apache > and direction and future of the project should be decided by the > community, not just the people who bring the project. It's a community that brings the project. That community doesn't cease to exist just because it is subsumed into Apache. A TLP's community gets to decide who to accept as a new community member, based on merit (with the board's oversight to make sure it isn't dominated by a single commercial entity). Why should an incubating project not have the same privilege? In fact, once a project is accepted for incubation, it does have the privilege of choosing its own committers, the same as a TLP does (given the oversight of the IPMC). We're talking about a glitch in the system where an existing community can be destroyed by volunteering to come to Apache, during the short period between proposal of a podling and its acceptance, leaving a code dump. That doesn't seem right. If we want to encourage a community, then we have to respect a community. It's not that hard, just --ask-- to be a committer on a podling rather than just editing the wiki. Let the creator of the document edit it. > I do not see that > here. If this would have been a vote, I might -1. > > Deepal >> Are you guys wearing Apache hats or WS02 hats? If you're wearing Apache >> hats, then I'd expect a bit less fealty to your CEO's request and a little >> more "OK, I see your point, but I'm really excited about the project, here's >> what I'd like to do on the project, do you mind adding me as an initial >> committer?". Granted that email doesn't convey tone-of-voice very well, but >> the messages from WSO2 employees sound kind of snarky. >> >> Now, on the general question of "piling-on" I have to agree with Roy. The >> incubator always encourages people to build a community, and then bring that >> community to Apache. If an incubating project's existing community is >> hugely diluted by Apache folks at the incubator proposal stage, then it >> becomes a "code dump", which we try to discourage. If we care about >> "community over code", then surely we have to show some respect for the >> community that comes to Apache. Common courtesy suggest that you offer your >> help to that community, not impose your help on it. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Greg. >> >> On 2013-09-25, at 12:52 AM, Nirmal Fernando <nirmal070...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> hmm.. it appears to me that though you pushed the project into ASF, your >>> intentions were not pure and you don't want any competitor of Apigee to be >>> joined to the project (by going on your words, it is quite natural to think >>> so.) even if they showed their genuine interest on helping the project out, >>> with their know-how on related areas. >>> >>> As Sanjiva requested, I'm gonna hereby withdraw my humble request to be >>> added as a committer. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Niranjan Karunanandham < >>> niranjan.k...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where ever >>>> possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As requested >>>> by my CEO, I would like to withdraw my committer request. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Dulitha Wijewantha <dulit...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> +1 for the Dave Fisher's example. I believe most of the people have >>>>> misunderstood our intentions. We were offering to help the project to >>>> grow >>>>> and graduate faster. I am withdrawing my committer request as our CEO >>>> asked >>>>> too. But honestly speaking - if you guys are *scared* of the *community* >>>>> and what the *community* is - I don't believe you shouldn't mention the >>>>> below words in the proposal - >>>>> >>>>> *Although we are aware of the strength of the Apache brand, we are >>>>> primarily >>>>> * >>>>> *interested in the transforming power of the Apache Way to help guide* >>>>> *Usergrid towards a more diversified and meritocratic community* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In my humble opinion - the above line should not be a part of the >>>> proposal >>>>> since the Apache way has always been to gather a community around the >>>>> proposal who have shown interest towards the idea. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu < >>>> akaras...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound >>>>>>>> meritocratic.... >>>>>>> It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up >>>>>>> as initial committers for a podling usually don't have to demonstrate >>>>>>> any merit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When the time comes to graduate the podling, it's perfectly fine to >>>>>>> ask it to prune its list of committers and PMC members in order to >>>>>>> keep only people who have demonstrated their committment during >>>>>>> incubation. >>>>>> When OpenOffice.org was brought to the Incubator there was open >>>>>> enrollment. There were over 70 Initial Committers. I had no experience >>>>> with >>>>>> OpenOffice. I did have an understanding of the ASF. I could help and I >>>>> did. >>>>>> It was tough to have such a large list many were OpenOffice.org people >>>>> who >>>>>> never really adapted to the ASF. We had all these people on the PPMC. >>>>> When >>>>>> graduation time came we managed to reduce the PMC to 25. We left the >>>>>> Initial Committers connected. It hasn't really been a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> My point is that without the Initial Committer free for all I think >>>> that >>>>>> AOO would not be as successful as now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Dulitha R. Wijewantha** Software Engineer* >>>>> Tel: 94112793140 | Mobile: 94112793140 >>>>> dulit...@gmail.com | http://dulithawijewantha.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Niranjan Karunanandham* >>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>> M: +94 777 749 661 <http:///> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best Regards, >>> Nirmal >>> >>> C.S.Nirmal J. 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