Unfortunately, similar projects entering Apache incubator are common things =(
Even though each original project proposers can argue about differences in one way or another, it will eventually decided by adoption and community growth, and at the end the quality of the project itself. Some other incoming projects had been in similar questions/concerns regarding "competing" with existing ASF projects, e.g.: Twill vs Slider, Samza vs Storm vs S4, and several others. - Henry On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think that there is a huge difference between Metamodel and Optiq. > > In particular: > > - Optiq provides real SQL including nested queries, correlated sub-queries > and so on > > - Metamodel uses a fluent Java API ... SQL parsing and transformation > doesn't appear to be a goal > > - Optiq provides highly advanced query transformations including > decorrelations based on estimated execution costs. > > - Metamodel appears to provide no significant query transformations > > - Optiq only provides query execution as a by-product for testing > > - Metamodel has query execution as a central goal > > - Optiq provides a form of type inferencing for SQL queries. This is > unique to Optiq as far as I know. > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Kasper Sørensen < > kasper.soren...@humaninference.com> wrote: > >> I see a lot of conceptual similarity between Optiq and the Apache >> MetaModel (incubator) project [1]. Maybe something can be done to align the >> two projects, so that we avoid having two incubating projects that do >> basically the same thing? >> >> Or maybe there's some glaring difference that I am missing? At least it >> seems to me both to be projects that try to provide uniform querying >> capabilities to a wide array of data backends. Both project also favor a >> type-safe Java querying API instead of a String/SQL oriented query API. >> >> Regards, >> Kasper Sørensen >> >> [1] http://metamodel.incubator.apache.org/ >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Ashutosh Chauhan [hashut...@apache.org] >> Sent: 01 May 2014 00:21 >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: [PROPOSAL] Optiq >> >> I would like to propose Optiq as an Apache Incubator project. I have >> posted the proposal to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OptiqProposal and >> posted the text of the proposal below. >> >> Ashutosh. >> >> = Optiq = >> == Abstract == >> >> Optiq is a framework that allows efficient translation of queries involving >> heterogeneous and federated data. >> >> == Proposal == >> >> Optiq is a highly customizable engine for parsing and planning queries on >> data in a wide variety of formats. It allows database-like access, and in >> particular a SQL interface and advanced query optimization, for data not >> residing in a traditional database. >> >> == Background == >> >> Databases were traditionally engineered in a monolithic stack, providing a >> data storage format, data processing algorithms, query parser, query >> planner, built-in functions, metadata repository and connectivity layer. >> They innovate in some areas but rarely in all. >> >> Modern data management systems are decomposing that stack into separate >> components, separating data, processing engine, metadata, and query >> language support. They are highly heterogeneous, with data in multiple >> locations and formats, caching and redundant data, different workloads, and >> processing occurring in different engines. >> >> Query planning (sometimes called query optimization) has always been a key >> function of a DBMS, because it allows the implementors to introduce new >> query-processing algorithms, and allows data administrators to re-organize >> the data without affecting applications built on that data. In a >> componentized system, the query planner integrates the components (data >> formats, engines, algorithms) without introducing unncessary coupling or >> performance tradeoffs. >> >> But building a query planner is hard; many systems muddle along without a >> planner, and indeed a SQL interface, until the demand from their customers >> is overwhelming. >> >> There is an opportunity to make this process more efficient by creating a >> re-usable framework. >> >> == Rationale == >> >> Optiq allows database-like access, and in particular a SQL interface and >> advanced query optimization, for data not residing in a traditional >> database. It is complementary to many current Hadoop and NoSQL systems, >> which have innovative and performant storage and runtime systems but lack a >> SQL interface and intelligent query translation. >> >> Optiq is already in use by several projects, including Apache Drill, Apache >> Hive and Cascading Lingual, and commercial products. >> >> Optiq's architecture consists of: >> >> An extensible relational algebra. >> SPIs (service-provider interfaces) for metadata (schemas and tables), >> planner rules, statistics, cost-estimates, user-defined functions. >> Built-in sets of rules for logical transformations and common data-sources. >> Two query planning engines driven by rules, statistics, etc. One engine is >> cost-based, the other rule-based. >> Optional SQL parser, validator and translator to relational algebra. >> Optional JDBC driver. >> == Initial Goals == >> >> The initial goals are be to move the existing codebase to Apache and >> integrate with the Apache development process. Once this is accomplished, >> we plan for incremental development and releases that follow the Apache >> guidelines. >> >> As we move the code into the org.apache namespace, we will restructure >> components as necessary to allow clients to use just the components of >> Optiq that they need. >> >> A version 1.0 release, including pre-built binaries, will foster wider >> adoption. >> >> == Current Status == >> >> Optiq has had over a dozen minor releases over the last 18 months. Its core >> SQL parser and validator, and its planning engine and core rules, are >> mature and robust and are the basis for several production systems; but >> other components and SPIs are still undergoing rapid evolution. >> >> === Meritocracy === >> >> We plan to invest in supporting a meritocracy. We will discuss the >> requirements in an open forum. We encourage the companies and projects >> using Optiq to discuss their requirements in an open forum and to >> participate in development. We will encourage and monitor community >> participation so that privileges can be extended to those that contribute. >> >> Optiq's pluggable architecture encourages developers to contribute >> extensions such as adapters for data sources, new planning rules, and >> better statistics and cost-estimation functions. We look forward to >> fostering a rich ecosystem of extensions. >> >> === Community === >> >> Building a data management system requires a high degree of technical >> skill, and correspondingly, the community of developers directly using >> Optiq is potentially fairly small, albeit highly technical and engaged. But >> we also expect engagement from members of the communities of projects that >> use Optiq, such as Drill and Hive. And we intend to structure Optiq so that >> it can be used for lighter weight applications, such as providing a SQL and >> JDBC interface to a NoSQL system. >> >> === Core Developers === >> >> The developers on the initial committers list are all experienced open >> source developers, and are actively using Optiq in their projects. >> >> * Julian Hyde is lead developer of Mondrian, an open source OLAP engine, >> and an Apache Drill committer. >> * Chris Wensel is lead developer of Cascading, and of Lingual, the SQL >> interface to Cascading built using Optiq. >> * Jacques Nadeau is lead developer of Apache Drill, which uses Optiq. >> >> In addition, there are several regular contributors whom we hope will >> graduate to committers during the incubation process. >> >> We realize that additional employer diversity is needed, and we will work >> aggressively to recruit developers from additional companies. >> >> === Alignment === >> >> Apache, and in particular the ecosystem surrounding Hadoop, contains >> several projects for building data management systems that leverage each >> other's capabilities. Optiq is a natural fit for that ecosystem, and will >> help foster projects meeting new challenges. >> >> Optiq is already used by Apache Hive and Apache Drill; Optiq embeds Apache >> Spark as an optional engine; we are in discussion with Apache Phoenix about >> integrating JDBC and query planning. >> >> == Known Risks == >> >> === Orphaned Products === >> >> Optiq is already a key component in three independent projects, each backed >> by a different company, so the risk of being orphaned is relatively low. We >> plan to mitigate this risk by recruiting additional committers, and >> promoting Optiq's adoption as a framework by other projects. >> >> === Inexperience with Open Source === >> >> The initial committers are all Apache members, some of whom have several >> years in the Apache Hadoop community. The founder of the project, Julian >> Hyde, has been a founder and key developer in open source projects for over >> ten years. >> >> === Homogenous Developers === >> >> The initial committers are employed by a number of companies, including >> Concurrent, Hortonworks, MapR Technologies and Salesforce.com. We are >> committed to recruiting additional committers from outside these companies. >> >> === Reliance on Salaried Developers === >> >> Like most open source projects, Optiq receives substantial support from >> salaried developers. This is to be expected given that it is a highly >> technical framework. However, they are all passionate about the project, >> and we are confident that the project will continue even if no salaried >> developers contribute to the project. As a framework, the project >> encourages the involvement of members of other projects, and of academic >> researchers. We are committed to recruiting additional committers including >> non-salaried developers. >> >> === Relationships with Other Apache Products === >> >> As mentioned in the Alignment section, Optiq is being used by Apache Hive >> and Apache Drill, and has adapters for Apache Phoenix and Apache Spark. >> Optiq often operates on data in a Hadoop environment, so collaboration with >> other Hadoop projects is desirable and highly likely. >> >> === An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand === >> >> Optiq solves a real problem, as evidenced by its take-up by other projects. >> This proposal is not for the purpose of generating publicity. Rather, the >> primary benefits to joining Apache are those outlined in the Rationale >> section. >> >> == Documentation == >> >> Additional documentation for Optiq may be found on its github site: >> >> * [[https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq/blob/master/README.md|Overview]] >> * [[ >> https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq-csv/blob/master/TUTORIAL.md|Tutorial]] >> * [[https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq/blob/master/HOWTO.md|HOWTO]] >> * [[ >> https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq/blob/master/REFERENCE.md|Referenceguide >> ]] >> >> === Presentation: === >> >> *[[ >> >> https://github.com/julianhyde/share/blob/master/slides/optiq-richrelevance-2013.pdf?raw=true| >> SQL on Big Data using Optiq]] >> == Initial Source == >> >> The initial code codebase resides in three projects, all hosted on github: >> >> * https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq >> * https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq-csv >> * https://github.com/julianhyde/linq4j >> >> === Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan === >> >> The initial codebase is already distributed under the Apache 2.0 License. >> The owners of the IP have indicated willingness to sign the SGA. >> >> === External Dependencies === >> >> Optiq and Linq4j have the following external dependencies. >> >> * Java 1.6, 1.7 or 1.8 >> * Apache Maven, Commons >> * JavaCC (BSD license) >> * Sqlline 1.1.6 (BSD license) >> * Junit 4.11 (EPL) >> * Janino (BSD license) >> * Guava (Apache 2.0 license) >> * Eigenbase-resgen, eigenbase-xom, eigenbase-properties (Apache 2.0 >> license) >> >> Some of Optiq's adapters (optiq-csv, optiq-mongodb, optiq-spark, >> optiq-splunk) are currently developed alongside core Optiq, and have the >> following additional dependencies: >> >> * Open CSV 2.3 (Apache 2.0 license) >> * Apache Incubator Spark >> * Mongo Java driver (Apache 2.0 license) >> Upon acceptance to the incubator, we would begin a thorough analysis of all >> transitive dependencies to verify this information and introduce license >> checking into the build and release process by integrating with Apache Rat. >> >> === Cryptography === >> >> Optiq will eventually support encryption on the wire. This is not one of >> the initial goals, and we do not expect Optiq to be a controlled export >> item due to the use of encryption. >> >> == Required Resources == >> >> === Mailing Lists === >> >> * priv...@optiq.incubator.apache.org >> * d...@optiq.incubator.apache.org (will be migrated from >> optiq-...@googlegroups.com) >> * comm...@optiq.incubator.apache.org >> >> === Source control === >> >> The Optiq team would like to use git for source control, due to our current >> use of git/github. We request a writeable git repo git:// >> git.apache.org/incubator-optiq, and mirroring to be set up to github >> through INFRA. >> >> === Issue Tracking === >> >> Optiq currently uses the github issue tracking system associated with its >> github repo: https://github.com/julianhyde/optiq/issues. We will migrate >> to >> the Apache JIRA: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPTIQ. >> >> == Initial Committers == >> >> * Julian Hyde (jhyde at apache dot org) >> * Jacques Nadeau (jacques at apache dot org) >> * James R. Taylor (jamestaylor at apache dot org) >> * Chris Wensel (cwensel at apache dot org) >> >> === Affiliations === >> >> The initial committers are employees of Concurrent, Hortonworks, MapR and >> Salesforce.com. >> >> * Julian Hyde (Hortonworks) >> * Jacques Nadeau (MapR Technologies) >> * James R. Taylor (Salesforce.com) >> * Chris Wensel (Concurrent) >> >> == Sponsors == >> >> === Champion === >> >> * Ashutosh Chauhan (hashutosh at apache dot org) >> >> === Nominated Mentors === >> >> * Ted Dunning (tdunning at apache dot org) - Chief Application Architect >> at MapR Technologies; committer for Lucene, Mahout and ZooKeeper. >> * Alan Gates (gates at apache dot org) - Architect at Hortonworks; >> committer for Pig, Hive and others. >> * Steven Noels (stevenn at apache dot org) - Chief Technical Officer at >> NGDATA; committer for Cocoon and Forrest, mentor for Phoenix. >> >> === Sponsoring Entity === >> >> The Apache Incubator. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
