On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Owen O'Malley <omal...@apache.org> wrote: > Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but > would > you be willing to be a mentor for Argus?
I don't have many cycles for this, but if it's a blocker for incubation then I'll make time. -C >> Initial committers are a dodge that demonstrates nothing about the >> project's willingness to not only accept, but attract new ideas. The >> viability of an OSS project is not inaccurately *defined* as its >> ability to compete for that attention. Demanding pro forma adherence >> to heuristics is a harmful lesson to podlings, unless the goal is to >> teach them to evade accountability. -C >> >> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:38PM, Henry Saputra wrote: >> >> Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =) >> >> >> >> I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator >> project. >> >> And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better >> >> diversity during its time under Apache incubator. >> >> >> >> For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from >> >> same organization. >> >> Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit" >> >> mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance. >> >> >> >> - Henry >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> > I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard >> the >> >> > beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into >> the >> >> > incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers >> entirely >> >> > from one organization. An organization donating an existing code >> base, for >> >> > example. >> >> > >> >> > However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator >> >> > should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded >> to grow >> >> > a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a >> project >> >> > ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of >> Apache >> >> > Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply >> here. If a >> >> > project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer >> diversity with >> >> > which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion. A >> >> > stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL >> and >> >> > hosted on GitHub. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <omal...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra < >> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some >> >> >> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their >> community >> >> >> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder to >> change >> >> >> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more >> likely to >> >> >> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects >> being >> >> >> done in the Apache Way. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from >> Hortonworks. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as Apache >> Knox >> >> >> > [1], what is the differences between the 2? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter >> >> >> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine >> grain >> >> >> integrated authorization and auditing. >> >> >> >> >> >> .. Owen >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Best regards, >> >> > >> >> > - Andy >> >> > >> >> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet >> Hein >> >> > (via Tom White) >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
