I wish the discussions that Sean started had occur for projects like Knox or Tez.
I interacted and watch Drill project for a while before being pulled out from my prev employer to stop working on it and I could see that the community did try very hard to diversify and embrace new contributors from external people. I think we should open another separate thread to continue the diversity discussions without hijacking RESULT thread for Drill. - Henry On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Sean Owen <sro...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm reading http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community > > "A major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and > diverse meritocratic community ... The project is considered to have a > diverse community when it is not highly dependent on any single > contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and > there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of > the project). Basically this means that when a project mostly consists > of contributors from one company, this is a sign of not being diverse > enough. You can mitigate this requirement by admitting more external > contributors to your project that have no tie to the single entity." > > This seems to contradict the idea that diversity is not required. I > think Roy's saying something else: you shouldn't have to turn down a > job to stay on a project, or leave a project to take a job. Of course. > Nobody wants to kick out contributors, or force addition of people > from other employers, to graduate. Of course, nobody said graduation > is a fait accompli. > > The issue seems to have come up before, but is de facto not much > 'enforced'. Diversity is great all else equal, but seems unrealistic > to demand on entering incubation. I'm surprised if opinion is that it > also doesn't matter on exit. I think projects, realistically, get > driven by companies, and necessarily often start around one company. A > bit more diversity here would be good but hey. I take the message that > being an Apache project doesn't signify as much as is advertised (see > link above) about the 'community support' or diversity. Maybe just how > it is now and no big deal, but thought I would ask. Thanks for > indulging. > > Ted you raise good points. I was looking at +/- lines really, not > commits, which is not affected by squashes, but still problematic. > Size != significance. Github credits the person who made the PR, not > who merged it (https://github.com/apache/incubator-drill/commits/master > see authored vs committed) but I think you are saying there are > significant commits that didn't start with a PR or similar. Recent > commits follow a similar profile as all commits. I'm not talking so > much about committers as community contribution. Yeah I'm speaking > about past not future contributions since graduation has happened now. > > > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) > <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> It¹s not a requirement for graduation from the Incubator, as succinctly >> summarized by Roy (and I am +1 on this): >> >> http://markmail.org/message/w56cmyri4osgcgud > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
