Hi! Definitely interesting points to consider… I have just discussed this with Brian (MIracl CEO) and he’ll post some comments back and we can take it from there.
Thanks for the input and support, Patrick --- Patrick Hilt Chief Technology Officer Certivox Ltd. > On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > > > > On 11/10/15, 9:37 PM, "Nick Kew" <n...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2015-11-11 at 04:38 +0000, Alex Harui wrote: >> >>> In case it helps, when Adobe transferred the Flex trademark to the ASF, >>> the ASF licensed use of the Flex trademark back to Adobe so Adobe could >>> use Flex for its already-released versions and documentation. >> >> Aha, that's interesting. The suggestion was floated that our >> project could be Apache MIRACL (sharing the name), but I >> thought ASF wouldn't be happy with that. Overcautious? :) > > @trademarks would make the final ruling. Out in the wild, the terms > “Apache Flex” and “Adobe Flex” are used to distinguish between the Apache > versions and Adobe versions. The trademark “Flex” is now owned by the > ASF. IIRC, one aspect of the license back to Adobe was that Adobe could > not use it on newer versions, which was fine with Adobe since it was no > longer going to provide new versions of Flex, it just need a way to > reference the legacy versions since plenty of customers are still using > and talking about these legacy versions. > > All Adobe website references to Flex (well, at least the prominent ones we > could easily find) had to be tweaked to indicate that Flex was now a > trademark of the ASF. > > So a key question likely is: if there is something other than Apache > MIRACL also being actively promoted, like a commercial version from a > for-profit, then that would probably fail the “confusion” test and > @trademarks would likely frown on it. > > I’m not sure the ASF allows new releases of commercial products to use the > trademark name, even with qualifiers like the company that produced it. > IIRC, Subversion sort of has a “nickname” in “SVN” that commercial > entities can use, but not “Subversion” itself. When Adobe brought the > technology behind its PhoneGap product to the ASF, the project was given a > completely new name and then even renamed itself again to “Cordova”. > Meanwhile, AIUI, Adobe ships new releases of PhoneGap with proper > attribution to Cordova, but there is no "Adobe Cordova”. > > Of course, I could be wrong ;-) > > -Alex > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
