There is a sorta technical reason for the Champion to be a member of the PMC of the sponsor.
I’d expect the Champion to subscribe to the private@ list and to have binding votes on podling releases. These both require PMC membership. The alternative is to create two different “exceptions” that would allow Champions to subscribe to private@ and to have binding release votes. Craig > On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Without judging the goodness of it... I'd just point out that >> currently in the non-Member Officer case, they must be a member of the >> Sponsoring PMC. I thought that was true of Members as well, btw, but >> thought I'd point out that it's not simply Members and Officers. > > Thanks for bringing that up, Tim. > > In my view, this rule is too complicated, and therefore I support John's > initiative to allow Champions to be any ASF Member or Officer. Here is a > patch implementing his proposal: > > https://paste.apache.org/LwdO > > The primary utility of requiring the Champion to have certain qualifications > is to ensure that projects contemplating incubation get good guidance, so that > they either produce a sound proposal or make an informed decision not to > incubate. (I've seen both happen, as have others who have served as a > Champion.) > > But by the time a full-blown proposal lands on general@incubator, it's too > late to go back and change the guidance that the candidate project received. > Thus, when this rule is misunderstood, the only effect is that we end up in a > distracting debate about whether to replace a Champion whose most important > work is already done. This does not help the prospective podling, nor does it > inoculate future prospective podlings against receiving poor guidance from an > unqualified Champion. > > These days, the Sponsor is nearly always the Incubator, anyway. I don't think > the IPMC objects to having Officers who are neither ASF Members nor IPMC > members serve as Champion for proposals where the Incubator is the Sponsor. > > In the unlikely event that there is a podling proposal where the Sponsor is > not the Incubator AND the Champion is neither an ASF Member nor a member of > the Sponsoring PMC AND the Sponsoring PMC objects... we can cross that bridge > when we come to it. > > In the meantime, I don't think the present rule offers enough value to justify > its complexity. > > Marvin Humphrey > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > Craig L Russell Architect craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
