On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 5:25 PM Jakob Homan <jgho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, it's been a week with no objections. Craig's concern could also > be addressed by allowing Officers to join the IPMC in the same way > that Members can. > > I'd like to see this question resolved so that we progress the > Airflow proposal to a vote with Chris Riccomini as Champion (VP of > Samza). He'd do an awesome job as champion and we'd like to get > started with the vote. > Jakob, Not sure if your comments are relevant on this thread or the thread w/ Marvin on it. Basically, with Marvin's incoming change, the champion role will be clarified as being responsible for only the bootstrap of the candidate into a vote for acceptance in to the incubator. There should be nothing blocking discussion/voting on Airflow based on it. John > > -Jakob > > > On 21 March 2016 at 09:57, Craig Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com> wrote: > > There is a sorta technical reason for the Champion to be a member of the > PMC of the sponsor. > > > > I’d expect the Champion to subscribe to the private@ list and to have > binding votes on podling releases. These both require PMC membership. > > > > The alternative is to create two different “exceptions” that would allow > Champions to subscribe to private@ and to have binding release votes. > > > > Craig > > > >> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Without judging the goodness of it... I'd just point out that > >>> currently in the non-Member Officer case, they must be a member of the > >>> Sponsoring PMC. I thought that was true of Members as well, btw, but > >>> thought I'd point out that it's not simply Members and Officers. > >> > >> Thanks for bringing that up, Tim. > >> > >> In my view, this rule is too complicated, and therefore I support John's > >> initiative to allow Champions to be any ASF Member or Officer. Here is > a > >> patch implementing his proposal: > >> > >> https://paste.apache.org/LwdO > >> > >> The primary utility of requiring the Champion to have certain > qualifications > >> is to ensure that projects contemplating incubation get good guidance, > so that > >> they either produce a sound proposal or make an informed decision not to > >> incubate. (I've seen both happen, as have others who have served as a > >> Champion.) > >> > >> But by the time a full-blown proposal lands on general@incubator, it's > too > >> late to go back and change the guidance that the candidate project > received. > >> Thus, when this rule is misunderstood, the only effect is that we end > up in a > >> distracting debate about whether to replace a Champion whose most > important > >> work is already done. This does not help the prospective podling, nor > does it > >> inoculate future prospective podlings against receiving poor guidance > from an > >> unqualified Champion. > >> > >> These days, the Sponsor is nearly always the Incubator, anyway. I > don't think > >> the IPMC objects to having Officers who are neither ASF Members nor IPMC > >> members serve as Champion for proposals where the Incubator is the > Sponsor. > >> > >> In the unlikely event that there is a podling proposal where the > Sponsor is > >> not the Incubator AND the Champion is neither an ASF Member nor a > member of > >> the Sponsoring PMC AND the Sponsoring PMC objects... we can cross that > bridge > >> when we come to it. > >> > >> In the meantime, I don't think the present rule offers enough value to > justify > >> its complexity. > >> > >> Marvin Humphrey > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > > Craig L Russell > > Architect > > craig.russ...@oracle.com > > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
