is this just personal catharsis? On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Craig Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com> > wrote: >> There is a sorta technical reason for the Champion to be a member of the PMC >> of the sponsor. >> >> I’d expect the Champion to subscribe to the private@ list and to have >> binding votes on podling releases. These both require PMC membership. >> >> The alternative is to create two different “exceptions” that would allow >> Champions to subscribe to private@ and to have binding release votes. > > These are legitimate concerns that would need to be dealt should such an > unlikely scenario arise. However, I don't think we need to carve exceptions > into policy here -- other creative solutions are available, like voting the > Champion onto the Sponsor PMC. > > And I'd like to take this opportunity to make a more general point: > > Policy should be simple. > > There are many reasons that policy should be simple, and I'm sure others will > be happy to weigh in with their own favorites. But for me, this is the > most compelling: > > Complexity harms newcomers. > > Right now, Apache's rules are so complex that we are all in perpetual > violation. You can't even know what all the rules are! > > In such an environment, success is dependent, not on your own ability, but on > securing alliances with powerful insiders who can help you bend or break > the rules. > > This state of affairs is not worthy of our core principles. Particularly > since the ASF does not exercise technical control over its projects, what we > do here is not really that complicated. > > Apache, and the Incubator in particular, welcomes newcomers. It should be > possible for a newcomers to discover and follow our rules largely through > their own efforts. > > Of course a rejoinder to "Policy should be simple" is "As simple as possible > and no simpler". But how close are we to "as simple as possible"? > > Marvin Humphrey > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
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