OK. Before we hold a vote on general I think we should hold a vote in logging 
service, although I really don’t know what would happen if it didn’t pass. 
Unfortunately, the board isn’t going to be happy since the only sane place to 
have that vote is on the private list. Most of the PMC members don’t subscribe 
to the log4cxx dev list. We will be rectifying that by moving to having just 
one dev list for all sub projects as Commons does.

Ralph

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 3:04 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Ralph,
> 
> Sounds fair to me.  Based on what we did for CommonsRDF, I'd recommend that
> we hold a vote on the general@incubator list indicating the intent to
> transfer log4cxx from Incubator to Logging.  The steps are pretty close on
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#subproject
> 
> John
> 
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:19 PM Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The attempt to reboot Log4cxx has not had the hoped for results. Under
>> normal circumstances the project would probably be terminated at Apache.
>> However, this project came to the incubator from the Logging Services
>> project in hopes that it would be able to generate more activity since
>> there were people who said they were interested but didn’t have enough
>> activity to warrant making them a Logging committer. At some point in time
>> the intention was to move the project back into Logging Services.
>> 
>> Because of this history the Logging PMC feels the project should just move
>> back into the Logging project. The Logging PMC voted to add the one active
>> committer in Log4cxx to the Logging project so there should be no problem
>> there.  At that point the Logging PMC would manage the project similar to
>> some of the other not-so-active projects it has.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
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