Thanks for the reference and suggestions Willem and Justin. TL;DR: I've conveyed the reminder to the team (initial committers) during the weekend and they decided to (still) join the incubator after careful consideration.
Checking Apache Camel history, it was established as a sub-project of Apache ActiveMQ in April 2007 [1], and discussed to become a TLP (directly out of ActiveMQ) in Nov. 2008 [2], which has a 1.5 years span (faster but still long enough). In comparison, Paimon became a sub-project of Apache Flink in Feb. 2022, and was discussed to become an incubator project in Dec. 2022, developed for only 10 months and was less mature. I also convey the suggestion to several of Paimon's initial committers, and they are all grateful for the reminder and trust from IPMC. However, the team believes the incubator could teach and help them to build a more vibrant and neutral community, and become more qualified to be a TLP. Therefore we'd like to continue the incubating proposal discussion here, and comments and feedback are warmly welcome. Best Regards, Yu [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/zdpzpmbo2lwrdqt9ry7ygzqj6t8z78h6 [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s4k5njgz1nstdc9rt0rndyn144t87z0d On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 18:22, Justin Mclean <justinmcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > If you feel you need to go though the Incubator we'll accept the project. > > Kind Regards, > Justin > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2023, 7:48 pm Yu Li, <car...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks all for the interest. > > > > Paimon is already a sub-project of Apache Flink [1], and yes we intend to > > graduate as its own Top Level Project after incubating. > > > > And yes, similar question was raised during discussion in the Flink > > community [2], and please allow me to quote some content below for > easier > > reference: > > =============== > > Apache has the tradition to incubate projects out of mature > > sub-projects of top-level > > projects, for example Apache HBase [3] and Apache Ozone [4] are both born > > as sub-projects of Apache Hadoop. Although HBase and Ozone both become > > top-level projects directly, they were also developed for more than 3 > years > > as sub-projects, and we wonder whether table store is as mature to be a > > top-level project. On the other hand, we believe the table store project > is > > qualified to enter the Apache incubation as an innovative lake storage, > and > > has the potential to graduate in a year or two. > > =============== > > > > However, it's true that we are not quite sure whether the project is > > qualified to directly become another TLP, thus we took a conservative > > approach. Please feel free to let us know if you have any suggestions. > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Yu > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/h3hkvt3nq9gfblt3k0w2pr6xrg54pqxt > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/hgpcg6mhhoblzbnh1opkrxynmc93vxzp > > [3] > https://www.mail-archive.com/hbase-dev@hadoop.apache.org/msg18236.html > > [4] > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP/Ozone+Hadoop+subproject+to+Apache+TLP+proposal > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 12:16, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Given that most of the people involved are familiar with the ASF and > how > > > projects should operate, I wonder if you should not just become a > > > subproject of Fink or a separate TLP? Are there any reasons you think > the > > > project needs to go through incubation? > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Justin > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
