> Perhaps like Commons, there should be an open proving ground > for those wishing to make steps into the Apache world.
Probably not what you had in mind, but adding the project to the gump run would be a start. All sorts of monitoring goes on then, including prompting from the gump-er (ie Sam) to fix things that break. I know Sam (et al) have + will provide patches to other projects to bring their build systems up to scratch. It's a start at having the external community work with the Jakarta community(/ies), which seems to be the primary concern. If the project won't deal with gump nags, and can't keep their builds from breaking then they probably won't fit into Jakarta. NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>