On 1/7/02 12:53 AM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:39, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >>>>>> Shouldn't tomcat and httpd be in the same category? >>>>> >>>>> different technologies (ie c vs java). >>>> >>>> So what? You didn't think that mattered before. >>> >>> what are you talking about ? When have I said merging incompatible >>> communities never mattered ? >> >> Good try. You said that the technologies don't matter.... (you even say it >> above :) > > Sigh .. I need some of those Cheshire cat skills. > > The point I was trying to get across was this. I assumed you were being > facetious ? no? In some ways, no - I think it was stefano that said something to the order of removing all artificial containers surrounding projects or groups of projects. I think that if we looked at that, we might discover that governance of something like that would be challenging (governance could be entirely self-governance : no implications of any sort intended...) > > I don't really care that tomcat has a native connector and daemon > architecture, nor do I care whether xerces has a c version. Why ? Because > they are the same community. Presumably you don't think Pier is not part of > the tomcat project - yet he did write a c daemon architecture (and some of > the connectors?) - does that mean his work should not be part of jakarta ? No - this paragraph above reaches back to my unanswered questions about the real meaning of the charter, of which a clarification was suggested which you agreed to (removing "server"), but then I noted we would still be out of scope (beaause of "java"). I don't care about the tech either - I mean, much of Gump is XSL, right? I was being a bit facetious earlier on the Alexandria list - note that The Law specifies that all code be documented according to javadoc coding conventions. If Sam wishes to remain in compliance with the law, his XSL Gump code needs to be documented that way (which I don't believe possible). My point is that the constant appeal to codified law sometimes misses the spirit of the law, and allows it to be used as a club, which I don't like. I admit it is my personality to err on the side of 'chaos' away from the law, but still. > The PHP/Perl/TCL/Httpd people on average have little involvement in the java > development scene is my guess - I certainly haven't seen any huge crosstalk > between them and jakarta - have you ? Never. I also will say I haven't seen community crosstalk between XML and Jakarta, from the point of view as communities. I know there are individuals who contribute greatly to both communities, and many of us here in Jakarta depend on XML projects. But in the sense of us really having discussion of cross-community issues, the only one I can recall seeing is Stefano's request to disband PMCs because of his issues with XML's. > Because they work on different technologies there is unlikely to emerge any > great collaborative works between developers as often developers specialize > in development approach (ie java). > > Technologies don't matter - communitys do. I agree - I think my statement was "Charter doesn't matter - the community does"... >It would be pointless to merge > disconnected communities when there is no community incentive to do so. The > community is unlikely to form between groups of developers who work on > different technologies if there is little common ground. xerces c developers > presumably have common ground with their java counterparts, Pier presumably > has common ground with the other tomcat developers. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
