Well I guess I now have to step up and put the code in place.  I will
see you and anyone interested over on james-dev.

Cheers,
Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:43 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??
> 
> 
> Oh and don't forget Lotus notes.  Notes seems to be somewhat 
> of a deprecation, but had some app development features that 
> are still used in a lot of places.  Modernize these and make 
> them more web-ish and you'd have something that would make a 
> lot of folks very happy.
> 
> 1. MIS Managers - $$$, interoperability, TCO
> 2. Sysadmins    - frustration
> 3. Developers   - migrate off of Notes, 
> little-exchange-version-of-notes
> 4. users        - stability
> 5. power users  - choice of email client, features
> 
> This sounds like a great idea Scott.
> 
> On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:41, Scott Sanders wrote:
> > Some users REQUIRE Outlook, which works with Exchange to provide 
> > collaboration.
> > 
> > MIS managers install both.  But the users require Outlook, not 
> > Exchange.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:44 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??
> > > 
> > > 
> > > on 1/29/02 12:29 PM, "Scott Sanders" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My goal is NOT to target other developers.  My goal is to
> > > target users
> > > > that *HAVE* to have exchange because they:
> > > > 1) *HAVE* to use Outlook.
> > > > 2) *HAVE* to have real groupware capabilities 
> (calendaring, etc.)
> > > > 3) Refuse to give up Outlook for a web-based impl.
> > > > 
> > > > The users will change if they don't know that the 
> change happened.
> > > > Then things like Evolution and other clients can plug 
> into an OSS 
> > > > impl.
> > > > 
> > > > Scott
> > > 
> > > Users don't install Exchange. MIS managers do.
> > > 
> > > -jon
> > > 
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