Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta marketing. Where I work, lots of people talk about "maybe we should use cactus", and heck there are those who use all sorts of things from the Java Developers Journal that they have insufficient knowledge and experience to carry off. (Yes you can write an object cache... But why would you, and why would you do it in your stateless session beans)... But cactus is a well kept secret. Its one that gets whispered often.
>From my limited experience, marketing (ugh!) is just as important as anything else to increase your community size. -Andy On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 10:23, Vincent Massol wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Howard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@;attbi.com] > > Sent: 20 October 2002 14:36 > > To: Jakarta General List > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > > > > I don't have a way to qualify this, but I'm very concerned about > growing > > the > > community, and therefore I'm very careful not to be arbitrary. > Everything > > is a discussion, and I prefer that person X be happy with the ultimate > > decision, preferably agreeing with it. > > > > I've tried to before to spur more organization, but that didn't really > get > > started. The problem is, developers are too happy, I think. The > > framework > > does mostly what they need, bugs fixes and improvements happen, so > there > > hasn't been a need to get involved. A move to Jakarta will *force* a > few > > people (and I know who they are) to step forward, since other wise, by > the > > rules, nothing will actually happen. > > I'm interested to know more about this last part... I have moved Cactus > from SF to Jakarta a bit more than a year ago and I've found that I > haven't been able to grow much the number of committers. I believe there > are 2 possible reasons: > > 1/ Cactus (server-side unit testing - J2EE ATM) is too much of a niche > and people think there's not much more to do in that domain (quite > wrongly I can assure you ... :-)) > > 2/ Cactus is a victim of its success. From the beginning I have tried to > work hard to provide everything: documentation, quick answers to ML, > quick fixes, be customer driven, etc. Thus, as you say, people do not > participate because it works and the projects moves forward by itself > (so it seems ;-)). > > So I'm not sure why you say that a move to jakarta would change point 2/ > (which seems to be Tapestry's case). I'm interested in knowing if you > have a magic recipe that I could apply ... :-) > > Thanks > -Vincent > > PS: BTW, how do you unit test tapestry components? ;-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > > > > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:06, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > > > "Benevolent dictatorship". Probably should have expanded on this. > > Without > > > a formal comittee or voting system, I've reserved the right to > > ultimately > > > decide what goes into the framework and what doesn't. > > > > Start changing now. I don't know how long it will be before you come > to > > Apache > > but there is no harm and considerable benefit in moving to this model > > IMHO. > > It would also enhance your chances of making it into Apache. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Peter Donald > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Logic: The art of being wrong with confidence... > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org>
