I second your proposal. Втр, 08 Фев 2011, Chris Burke писал(а): > The Esc behaviour has always been supported in J, and was common at > one time in Windows apps, e.g. notepad2. > > I suggest that: > > ConfirmClose be removed. Whichever way the J session is closed using > the Gui, there would be prompts only if there are unsaved changes in > the editor. > > A new config option EscClose (default 0) allows Esc to close J if enabled. > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tikkanz <[email protected]> wrote: > > If Esc no longer closed the Term (or Edit) window then I'd be more > > comfortable with having the default ConfirmClose setting set to 0. > > > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Esc is not an established way to close a window or terminate an > >> application. > >> I use esc heavily on other applications but not for the purpose of closing > >> a window. > >> > >> If esc is removed from the list for commands for closing a form, then > >> users must have pressing the 'x' button or window manager shortcut key such > >> as ctrl-f4, by doing this, users should fully aware the effect and the > >> intention is clear. Asking again for confirmation will be an annoyance. > >> > >> Пнд, 07 Фев 2011, Don Guinn писал(а): > >>> The "x" in the Windows environment is a quick way out, going to the option > >>> of whether or not to prompt on exiting. If a person wants to exit J, why > >>> go > >>> to another prompt to make "are you sure?". The point I was trying to make > >>> is > >>> that the JHS and JGTK versions should be somewhat consistent. > >>> > >>> I choose not to be prompted with the "are you sure?" but I don't think > >>> pressing "esc" should kick in the terminate J sequence. It doesn't is in > >>> browsers. Why should it in JTGK? > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, chris burke <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > There is a ConfirmClose config for this in gtkide config. Default is > >>> > off. Should it be on, or is the default not important? > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > To provide more compatibility between the two environments, JGTK > >>> > > should > >>> > not > >>> > > exit on pressing ESC. In JGTK CTRL+a selects all the text. Why not > >>> > > have > >>> > it > >>> > > be lab advance? More like in JHS which uses ESC-a for lab advance. In > >>> > > addition CTRL+a could be lab advance in JGTK instead of selecting all. > >>> > > > >>> > > It seems to me that it is more important that JGTK and JHS conform > >>> > > closer > >>> > to > >>> > > each other than to the conventions of GTK and browsers. If I use JHS > >>> > > and > >>> > get > >>> > > used to pressing ESC to do functions I could get in real trouble > >>> > > trying > >>> > to > >>> > > use JGTK. > >>> > > > >>> > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Tikkanz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > >> I agree managing keybindings across browsers and across OS's is hard > >>> > >> - > >>> > >> however my main suggestions below just involve altering the letters > >>> > >> used in combination with Esc, not changing the basic key > >>> > >> combinations. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> My mentioning Ctrl+ use in Gmail was intended just as a heads up that > >>> > >> this might be worth investigating sometime in the future ... J702? > >>> > >> ;-). > >>> > >> > >>> > >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >> > My knowledge with jhs is almost empty, but I imagine jhs has > >>> > >> > already > >>> > >> gotten > >>> > >> > a hard time to keep keybindings work across different browsers. > >>> > >> > JGTK > >>> > is > >>> > >> > fortunate here. > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > Пнд, 07 Фев 2011, Ric Tikkanz писал(а): > >>> > >> >> I agree that making keyboard mappings user-configurable is > >>> > >> >> sensible. > >>> > >> >> However IMO, the default (Out-of-the-Box) configuration should as > >>> > >> >> similar as possible between the various IDEs. > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:15 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> > >> >> > Ideally keybinding should be user configurable because it is a > >>> > matter > >>> > >> of > >>> > >> >> > personal preference, eg. a certain key chord can be awkward to > >>> > reach > >>> > >> in > >>> > >> >> > some keyboard mappings. > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > J701 is now a stable release albeit being crude, so that Jbeta > >>> > forum > >>> > >> can > >>> > >> >> > now take a break. > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > Пнд, 07 Фев 2011, Ric Tikkanz писал(а): > >>> > >> >> >> I discovered that the Ctrl+j shortcut (same as J602) works to > >>> > advance > >>> > >> >> >> from topic to topic but this probably needs to be made more > >>> > >> >> >> discoverable (Help|Studio|Advance ?). > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> Ideally the default JHS and Gtk IDE shortcuts for advancing in > >>> > >> >> >> a > >>> > lab > >>> > >> >> >> (and other common things) should use the same letter - > >>> > >> >> >> currently > >>> > JHS > >>> > >> >> >> is (Esc,a) while Gtk IDE is (Ctrl+j). > >>> > >> >> >> JHS already uses (Esc,j) to switch to the jijx window, and Gtk > >>> > >> >> >> IDE > >>> > >> >> >> already uses (Ctrl+a) as "select all" - a fairly widely-used > >>> > standard > >>> > >> >> >> (browsers, editors). > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> Currently: > >>> > >> >> >> JHS Gtk > >>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijx/Term j T > >>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijs/Edit J M > >>> > >> >> >> Advance lab topic a j > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> Proposed: > >>> > >> >> >> JHS Gtk > >>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijx/Term j j > >>> > >> >> >> Switch to jijs/Edit J J > >>> > >> >> >> Advance lab topic t t > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> BTW, as I write this in my browser using Google mail, I notice > >>> > that > >>> > >> >> >> they have successfully managed to use the standard Ctrl+ > >>> > >> >> >> shortcuts > >>> > >> >> >> that we are used to in desktop apps (i.e. Ctrl+s saves my > >>> > >> >> >> draft, > >>> > >> >> >> Ctrl+B for bold etc.). 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