On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 01/08/2006 08:18 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:49, Net Llama! wrote: > > >> > were raised in an era of truthful news (they are in their 70's), of > > >> > Walter Cronkite, etc. and see Fox as News, not Entertainment. Indeed, > > >> > their entertainment value is high at times for certain people, and the > > >> > produce well, but as for truth, I agree with you that it's hard to > > >> > find. > > >> > I try to explain to people that it's all about money and often has > > >> > little true news value, but most blow it off. Many still believe in > > >> > this > > >> > President, too, which is confusing. > > >> > > >> Sure, because its alot easier to think that your government is always > > >> going to look out for your best interest, and that everything is going > > >> to be alright, then to accept the fact that you're screwed and there's > > >> little that you can do about it. > > > > > > I think you're wrong on this point. Most liberals want more gummint and > > > most > > > people on the right want less. I wish the govmt would get the hell out > > > of > > > my life and I also think people have to determine their own destiny. > > > > > > But my observations of the left are that the congresspersons think they > > > are > > > the only ones that can be trusted with the keys to government and they > > > should > > > be the ones to take care of the people. Thus their liking for more and > > > bigger government programs. > > > > > > It's also my observation that the liberals will say and do anything to get > > > back or retain their power, whether what they say/do is good for the > > > country > > > or not. And they don't mind lying or shading the truth to accomplish > > > that. > > > > How would you classify the entire justification for going into Iraq, if > > not "lying or shading the truth"? > > Paradoxically, I think the best justification for going into Iraq is to > preserve the integrity of the United Nations. Sadam had clearly > suborned our "Allies", and completely evaded sanctions. For the UN to > survive, it must have credibility. Like it or not, the US provides that > credibility.
That's fine, but that was never the justification provided by any member of the current administration. > > If you are thinking that WMD are the only reason for invading Iraq, like > the popular media has been saying for years, that is not the case. WMD > was one of several reasons for invading. If you are saying that the US > government is supposed to be omniscient, the implied conclusion when WMD > are used as the reason we never should have invaded, I will let you > figure out why that is silly. The "popular media" was quoting George W Bush's reason. The "popular media" has also pointed out on numerous occasions how the there was significant evidence that George Bush's reason for going to Iraq was erroneous. If we want to talk about silly, that would be the best starting point. > Demanding that the government be perfect, especially when hostile > governments are deliberately obfuscating information is unreasonable. > Just like every other human on the planet, we make decisions based on > what we believe at the time. We may not always be right, but we still > need to make decisions. You're saying that choosing to ignore evidence is the same as making "decisions based on what we believe at the time"? Surely, I hope that i'm misinterpretting you here. Insisting that WMD exist, and that Iraq has or is about to have a nuke when there was zero evidence to support either claim, not to mention the entire Joseph Wilson incident, is a pretty monumental stretch of the making "decisions based on what we believe at the time" principle. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lonni J Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] LlamaLand http://netllama.linux-sxs.org _______________________________________________ [email protected] Unsub/Pause/Etc : http://mail.linux-sxs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/general
