Hi, My comments are inline On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Eran Chinthaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I thought of not giving any inputs to this as once it seemed things were > getting personal. But let me try once again. >
I assure you - nothing personal :) > Let me first understand something. Isn't this a problem that should be > discussed or voted, if required, in PMC, as this is about project > management. Why this is raised in dev list without any consent in PMC? I > know this decision will affect devs too, but .... > > If its ok to discuss these issues in dev lists, without any decision in PMC, > I think it is best to cc other mailing lists too.( I can remember Dims > sending this mail to general list initially. ) I think we had enough chat about this in the PMC and if you remember how the conversation ended, we needed more input. dev@ and general@ seems to be the right place to do so. > Also if there is a vote can committers vote? > I don't think so. I look at this thread as a means of getting more input from a crowd with broader interest. Once the things are done the vote would (could) be in PMC. > Please don't take any of those questions personal. I am just trying to > understand. > > Please see my comments in-line. > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Ajith Ranabahu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just >> spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2 >> cents. >> > > Ajith, its the nature of people and you can not understand them. I still > can not understand why you want to split. See the same argument. If we could > understand people well, then perhaps we would not have been surprised when > they selected George W for the second time ;) > Yes I agree people are unpredictable animals :) Atleast there was no such strong arguments to/against the move in the PMC list. > Anyway, why I don't agree is I don't see a problem with the current way. > Even if there is a problem, I still don't see how things will be better if > we go to multiple TLPs. Here is a case that might take us back to the past. why was it that we did not start sandesha as a module of Axis but rather a separate sub project ? Why did we move Axiom, savan,rampart and every bit of reusable functionality out of the main Axis2 source tree ? With functionality comes specialization and this separation makes each of these little projects manageable. Now the same argument gets applied to Axis2 since Axis2 has become a large (if not the largest) portion of WS. it has achieved its own specialization and own set of followers As I noted earlier - things are not going to get fixed automagically. it just becomes easier to manage. There is a chance that a renewed strength and motivation sweeping through the committer base if we make a move but that is not guaranteed or relied on. > >> >> 2. I have to agree to Dims that we have not been active as usual. >> There are open Jira's and I haven't had time to fix the few things >> that are pending in my niche projects (XMLSchema and tcpmon) let alone >> in Axis2. > > Ajith, I don't agree with you here. Axis2 now has a new breed of developers > who are happily working on various components. People will be inactive for > various reasons, but that is the nature of opensource projects. Those new people work on Axis2. They don't contribute to WS as a whole (meaning other Axis2 unrelated projects such as juddi,muse or scout) but work on very specific Axis2 components. What would be the more appropriate choice when it comes to committership ? Give them committership in the Axis2 project or give them committership in WS ? > >> >> 3. I've been told that (before my time in Apache) that it is >> discouraged to put projects in an umbrella of functionality, say like >> in ws* or xml*. Instead Apache has embraced the >> related-or-not-related-but-interesting type of project names with >> 'projects' and not umbrellas. Just to make it clear does the words >> jackrabbit, lucene, synapse, Mina or Lenya make any hint of what the >> project actually does ? So i don't see the point of keeping Axis2 >> under the umbrella of ws* anymore. if the ws* argument to hold I would >> say all other Apache projects that provide the SOAP stack capability >> should come under ws* as well (such as CXF) > > Ok if your argument is about the name WS, as Deepal suggested let's rename > this to something else. Say Kurumba ;) (Ok that was meant to be a joke, just > to be clear) > kurumba would have been fine (for the sake of the argument) since I can't see what motivated a name like jackrabbit :) [no pun intended on jackrabbit folks. For the clueless , Kurumba refers to the young coconut where the water inside is sweet. However there are many other uses of the word if you care to google]. My argument is there is no harm done in moving to a project that seemingly has an obscure (?) name. Apache has been doing it all along. As for the Java and C versions, I believe they are like siblings. They are both part of the Axis2 echo system. I am not at all in favor of dropping the C half if we move on to a TLP. -- Ajith Ranabahu Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking - Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
