Jeff Turner wrote:
IANAL, but PMC members have some form of protection.On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 02:59:52PM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:Jeff Turner wrote: [...]Let's clarify exactly what is broken before fixing it.If you are not part of a PMC, you have no legal protection from the ASF.
I understood that:
- the ASF legal entity is there to protect ASF _members_
- PMC member != ASF member. Eg, we're both Avalon PMC members, but if
someone were to sue us, that would not benefit us.
Thus, forming PMCs and flattening the structure in no way lessens the
legal risk taken by non-member committers (the vast majority). If I'm
wrong on this important point, please correct me.
The PMC is formally appointed by Apache to look over a project, and thus operates under its request (by the board) and oversight (chair and board). The ASF will protect the people it appoints.
That still leaves the question: in what way is the current XML PMC failing in its duties.
What do you think its duties are?
The Xml PMC cannot review all code commits and placement of jars and licenses, and at the same time ensure that the Apache process for guidelines is followed, it's just too much work.I can see that the Jakarta PMC might have missed stuff happening in the depths of Commons and Avalon, but xml.apache.org is a much quieter place.
How much time has the xml site been in need of an overhaul and fixes? How come the Xang project was still listed in the same space as the other active projects? Where is the STATUS file detailed in the guidelines (http://xml.apache.org/source.html#N10028) in most projects?
These points do not seem to be clearly part of the PMC mission ATM http://xml.apache.org/management.html , but in fact are.
ATM it's humanly impossible for the Xml PMC to do all this with all the projects and communities it has.
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