> If we had an official place where people could complain about ebuilds > not being stabilized, then I have a feeling most developers would avoid > it like the plague. Stuff like this is along the same lines as the > "bump it!!!eleventy-one11!11" bugs which get filed the minute there is a > new release of some program. We tend to hate that, and there isn't much > that could be done other than closing them with prejudice. >
I'm the OT. So I apologize to all devs whose precious time I have wasted. This post has probably now consumed about 10x as much time as it should've by now. I totally realize that it is probably super annoying to get requests for bumping to stable. And it wasn't my intention at all to put pressure on anyone to bump KDE. I was only curious as to what was holding it up. That was my bad for phrasing my question in such a sort manner (not following the "howto ask smart questions" protocol). I figured since, I'm seeing posts about 2.6.16 going stable in "2-3 weeks" and questions about firefox 1.5, then KDE would be kosher as well (since it is arguable on of the most important apps on the linux desktop). > > >> I would like to point out that it was you who flamed me for apparently > >> saying RTFM, when in fact if you read my original email, I did nothing > >> of the sort. > > > > You gave a logical RTFM. You're being literal with words when the > > meaning of what you said should be fairly clear. You didn't want to > > answer the question, so you flamed the person who asked instead of > > answering or defering to a more helpful individual. > > Not really. I should have actually pointed out that there is no (good) > place for such queries originally, but I was doing about 10 things at > once, and just sent the typical "don't send offtopic stuff to the > gentoo-dev list" reply. Look back through the archives...this is pretty > standard. > > > >> I merely pointed out what should have been clear to anyone > >> that signed up for this list, that it is not for whining about arch > >> keywording. > > > > Not everyone is like you. There are all sorts of different people out > > there who process information in a lot of different ways. Without a > > stated correct place for asking questions about keywording, it wouldn't > > be hard to rationalise that the proper place is the dev mailing list. > > Except that it isn't the proper place. It is for discussion of > technical matters concerning the development of Gentoo. The closest > place that might be sort of on-topic is the gentoo-desktop list, but I > generally don't recommend that list because it seems like nobody bothers > to answer questions there for the most part. I think the problem is > that the RightPeople(TM) (meaning all the members of the teams for each > desktop herd) probably aren't subscribed there. > Sorry I'm not on the desktop list and since I was seeing other posts about marking the kernel and firefox as stable, I figured kde fit in as well. My bad. One solution to naggers like me may be to have dedicated per package wiki/homepages where a status is shown (much like Trac releases). Or at least link to pending bugs. Though I realize that this is probably just more overhead for devs who are already too busy and would rather just code. > > > You say it should be obvious like it's fact. Not everything is obvious > > to everyone--Not everyone is a Steve or Stephanie. They may interpret > > conveyed information in different ways and the ambiguity does not help > > at all. > > It should be obvious to anybody who bothered to read the description for > this mailing list before signing up. I can't fix ignorance. Thanks for the compliment ;) "General Gentoo developer discussion mailing list" is the description... I guess my post was not general enough. ;) > > > > There's a reason devs rarely answer questions. Devs should do what they > > do best, code and fix problems according to SE principles. If you really > > want to answer questions, go ahead, but if you don't want to be helpful, > > don't say anything. Someone else who does want to will chime in with a > > helpful response. > > My reponse was helpful. I guarantee you (unless that person is really > dense) that they won't use this list to complain about stable keywording > again. Furthermore, any currently subscribed list user who didn't know > before will certainly know now. > Hmmm, I really wasn't trying to complain about the keywording of KDE. Sorry if it came out that way. I really just wanted a status update and again, since I saw others I figured it would be ok. In the future I will do the following: * Re-read "howto ask a smart question" * Find a mailing list that looks appropriate by the description * Spam that mailing list * Pending no response, find the dev and email them personally For the benefit of us dense users, please let me know if this works. -matt -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
