All- We've had a discussion about sunrise and have reached a compromise. Someone will summarize it later, I've attached the raw logs for now. Until the council makes a firm decision about non-gentoo hosted overlays, this will be the defining method of dealing with them.
There will be a summary posted as soon as someone finds the time. =====log====== * tomk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/pdpc.active.tomk) has joined #gentoo-devrel Kugelfang sure KingTaco ok KingTaco so, regarding bugs KingTaco Inoverlay is ambigous KingTaco so, I'll state that at this point it shouldn't be used for sunrise brix it should be used for official overlays Kugelfang true KingTaco [sunrise-overlay], not being an "official" overlay yet, shouldn't be in the bug either KingTaco I thought we were going to be quiet for a minute brix sorry * tantive__ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/tantive) has joined #gentoo-devrel KingTaco however, when there is a bug in bugzilla where the ebuild is hosted on sunrise stuff, it is appropriste to put a link to the source KingTaco everyone agree? plasmaroo Changes should go both ways IMO genstef so changing URL is valid or not? brix KingTaco: what about the TLP page? KingTaco it removes any perceived legitimization while still privindg the link to the stuff KingTaco brix, I'm going to get to that plasmaroo Link should go into comments, not URL brix ok KingTaco plasmaroo, yes, if I didn't explicitly say that, yes genstef Kugelfang: changing URL is valid or not? KingTaco genstef, you following me? genstef KingTaco: changing URL is valid or not? plasmaroo genstef: We just said no, pay attention. KingTaco the URL field should link to the sources, not the ebuild genstef ok KingTaco or the upstream project page plasmaroo (Meaning, *not sunrise*) amne what about updating outdated information as in bug 136344? if they link to it they should take care it's not broken (imho) jeeves amne: http://bugs.gentoo.org/136344 enh, P2, All, [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED], NEW, pending, x11-themes/gtk-engines-rezlooks ebuild KingTaco ok, regarding the proj/ page KingTaco amne, shhhhh plasmaroo amne: Hang on a few. amne (sorry) KingTaco now, I don't see a reason to remove that content, if there is a good possibility that the project will be moved to an "official" gentoo overlay status KingTaco however, it should be noted that the project is suspended KingTaco it should be obvious KingTaco that said, there is a continueing effort for sunrise outside of gentoo and I feel it would be a disservice to those users who want to use the overlay not to be able to find it plasmaroo A suggestion from me: change gentoo-sunrise trac and add a fat-ass "this is not official, trademark property of Gentoo, bla bla bla, we are not associated, bla bla bla" * trick_ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #gentoo-devrel KingTaco so, while it is suspended, there shall be a link to the unofficial page plasmaroo Right now you're using the Gentoo trademark and not saying that. KingTaco plasmaroo, shhhh brix KingTaco: but linking to the unofficial, unsuspended overlay defeats the whole idea of having suspended the overlay in the first place KingTaco we're getting to that plasmaroo brix: Yeah, but we can't really restrict devs from free speech or whatever plasmaroo It's the association that counts, not the fact of existance. brix plasmaroo: we can, however, restrict links from our official TLP pages plasmaroo I guess. KingTaco brix, there isn't any reason to prohibit linking to external sites. however, there is a compromise here plasmaroo The issue is association rather than linking outright. plasmaroo Right: We are suspended, see gentoo-sunrise.org for more details. Right now Gentoo does not support this period. Wrong: Our project website is here: ... KingTaco in able to link to the sunrise server, it should be prominantly displayed on all sunrise pages that it is unofficial and that bugs should not go to gentoo bugzilla KingTaco plasmaroo, while intrupting me, is correct KingTaco now, everyone speak plasmaroo genstef: So, can you change the sunrise pages? KingTaco unless I hear some valid objections to what I say, this is how it's going to be until the council makes a firm decision brix KingTaco: ok genstef Note: We are suspended on gentoo but the project continues unofficially on gentoo-sunrise.org plasmaroo That sounds sane to me as well, I second that. brix KingTaco: works-for-me genstef ok? KingTaco genstef, that sounds fine amne KingTaco: what i wanted to say before, considering linking to sunrise is OK, they should take care to update their links in bugzilla then too (see 136344, it points to the suspended overlay, which is the worst case scenario) plasmaroo Please add "Any bugs must not go to Gentoo Bugzilla but to the sunrise tracker/whatever." brix perhaps a link to the summary of the Council meeting? KingTaco amne, correct, but I feel that genstef would do that anyway, as it only hurts sunrise users genstef plasmaroo: that is already in the FAQ, no bugs for sunrise at all. KingTaco so, everyone cool? genstef KingTaco: we cannot really update bugzilla comments :( amne KingTaco: appearently it's not been done yet ;-) KingTaco genstef, no, just add a new link when you clean up the bug genstef ok. KingTaco amne, dude, we just decided how to handle this 30 seconds ago plasmaroo genstef: Okay, so if you link to the FAQ then that would be nice. genstef plasmaroo: link to the FAQ where? KingTaco someone with better english than I want to summerize/log this and send it to the world? plasmaroo On sunrise pages I suppose plasmaroo KingTaco: If somebody else doesn't get to it by tomorrow sure but it's getting late here :) KingTaco the last thing that I have to say is that when/if the council makes a firm decision, it will superceed anything we set forth here brix KingTaco: of course genstef updating the project page amne KingTaco: the outdated links have been there since the project was suspended, that was my point ;-) plasmaroo genstef: danke tantive__ wow brix genstef: please add a link to the summary of the Council meeting? tantive__ so everyone is happy again? jakub amne: yes, we can't wipe bugzilla comments, they'll be there forever... genstef brix: ok, will do plasmaroo tantive__: I hope so KingTaco amne, I'm confident that the sunrise people will make the nesessary corrections... if after a couple of days you still find a bad one, please let genstef know brix genstef: thank you tantive__ thanks everyone KingTaco surely tantive__ and not lets get back to work tantive__ (or to bed) plasmaroo :] KingTaco s/t/w amne jakub: i know, but update - which i hope will happen now KingTaco ok, I'm going to send a raw log to -dev brix will the whiteboard and keywords of the bug reports be wiped clean? KingTaco brix, yes, they are not to be used at this point brix KingTaco: ok, I'm happy then brix thanks all jakub please, be so kind and only wipe the relevant ones tantive__ yeah tantive__ halleluja plasmaroo Ok, great. -- ======================================================= Mike Doty kingtaco -at- gentoo.org Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead Gentoo Developer Relations Gentoo Recruitment Lead Gentoo Infrastructure GPG: 0094 7F06 913E 78D6 F1BB 06BA D0AD D125 A797 C7A7 ======================================================= -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
